Boat Weight ? - Wooden Boat People2024-03-29T07:43:25Zhttp://woodenboatpeople.org/forum/topics/boat-weight?commentId=1312281%3AComment%3A241376&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI also have a long history wi…tag:woodenboatpeople.org,2021-03-09:1312281:Comment:2486222021-03-09T17:59:45.953ZBodacious Jackhttp://woodenboatpeople.org/profile/BodaciousJack
<p>I also have a long history with kayaks, I think hitting diagonal stuff at 90 degrees will be the biggest change for me from rafting. I already use eddies and reverse entry spin moves in big rapids so I have that much going for me. That video of Skull at 2,500 cfs looks very tight, I think my solution to that would be to leave the dory in my garage and take my oar raft ;)</p>
<p>I also have a long history with kayaks, I think hitting diagonal stuff at 90 degrees will be the biggest change for me from rafting. I already use eddies and reverse entry spin moves in big rapids so I have that much going for me. That video of Skull at 2,500 cfs looks very tight, I think my solution to that would be to leave the dory in my garage and take my oar raft ;)</p> Here's a really interesting c…tag:woodenboatpeople.org,2021-03-03:1312281:Comment:2486142021-03-03T20:54:56.432ZShawn Bakerhttp://woodenboatpeople.org/profile/ShawnBaker
<p>Here's a really interesting contrast between a good doryman and a great doryman (Andy Hutchinson in the 2nd boat) if you can see the FB video<br/><a href="https://www.facebook.com/tim.payne.7505/videos/3407509535975154" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/tim.payne.7505/videos/3407509535975154</a><br/><br/>Notice how many fewer strokes Andy makes. He's planned ahead for where he wants to be -- and uses that top eddy to scrub speed going into the 2nd drop.</p>
<p>Here's a really interesting contrast between a good doryman and a great doryman (Andy Hutchinson in the 2nd boat) if you can see the FB video<br/><a href="https://www.facebook.com/tim.payne.7505/videos/3407509535975154" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/tim.payne.7505/videos/3407509535975154</a><br/><br/>Notice how many fewer strokes Andy makes. He's planned ahead for where he wants to be -- and uses that top eddy to scrub speed going into the 2nd drop.</p> There is a lot of good dory f…tag:woodenboatpeople.org,2021-03-03:1312281:Comment:2486122021-03-03T20:41:43.361ZShawn Bakerhttp://woodenboatpeople.org/profile/ShawnBaker
<p>There is a lot of good dory footage on YouTube.<br></br><br></br>I think this is a good video of some things that could be done better. IMHO the oarsmen treated their dories more like rafts...lots of late strokes instead of planning ahead, hitting waves sideways instead of T-ing up to them, and generally not letting the dory do the work in the current. I think their rides could have been a lot more fun with only slightly different lines.…<br></br></p>
<p>There is a lot of good dory footage on YouTube.<br/><br/>I think this is a good video of some things that could be done better. IMHO the oarsmen treated their dories more like rafts...lots of late strokes instead of planning ahead, hitting waves sideways instead of T-ing up to them, and generally not letting the dory do the work in the current. I think their rides could have been a lot more fun with only slightly different lines.<br/><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUabufQlnWM" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUabufQlnWM</a></p>
<p></p> I don't know if you're a kaya…tag:woodenboatpeople.org,2021-03-03:1312281:Comment:2485252021-03-03T20:36:54.097ZShawn Bakerhttp://woodenboatpeople.org/profile/ShawnBaker
<p>I don't know if you're a kayaker, but to me (only started rowing dories in 2019) it feels like a big kayak. I LOVE the way a dory moves in whitewater, and yeah, they really do part big waves. <br></br><br></br>You bob over waves instead of plowing into them as you would in a raft.<br></br><br></br>Some advice that I got from other dorymen:<br></br>You will go downstream faster than the rafts in your party.</p>
<p>You really need to plan ahead and look downstream because you will get there quickly. Watch for…</p>
<p>I don't know if you're a kayaker, but to me (only started rowing dories in 2019) it feels like a big kayak. I LOVE the way a dory moves in whitewater, and yeah, they really do part big waves. <br/><br/>You bob over waves instead of plowing into them as you would in a raft.<br/><br/>Some advice that I got from other dorymen:<br/>You will go downstream faster than the rafts in your party.</p>
<p>You really need to plan ahead and look downstream because you will get there quickly. Watch for downstream rocks, give yourself time to get around them.</p>
<p>It's a drift boat, let it drift. Don't try to upstream ferry while in the meat. Point and shoot.</p>
<p>Downstream ferries are your friend.</p>
<p>Your ferry angle isn't in relation to the river/banks. It's in relation to the current. If you need to make a 45° move and the current is going 45° to the channel...you might need to be going 90° to the shore.</p> This is all reassuring, I tho…tag:woodenboatpeople.org,2021-03-03:1312281:Comment:2486092021-03-03T19:05:41.855ZBodacious Jackhttp://woodenboatpeople.org/profile/BodaciousJack
<p>This is all reassuring, I thought Bo was overweight. I just got done with my first overnight trip on lower Deschutes at 5,200 cfs and I will say the boat handled AMAZING. We punched through some decent size stuff with no loss of momentum. This was my first time rowing a Dory and I was thoroughly impressed. It feels like a serious whitewater weapon as long as I keep that mass going where I want. GC launch in 16 days!! I'm about to start the Costco food runs to build the supply pile.…</p>
<p>This is all reassuring, I thought Bo was overweight. I just got done with my first overnight trip on lower Deschutes at 5,200 cfs and I will say the boat handled AMAZING. We punched through some decent size stuff with no loss of momentum. This was my first time rowing a Dory and I was thoroughly impressed. It feels like a serious whitewater weapon as long as I keep that mass going where I want. GC launch in 16 days!! I'm about to start the Costco food runs to build the supply pile. I'll post GC pics in April. </p> I don't think you could go "t…tag:woodenboatpeople.org,2021-03-03:1312281:Comment:2486082021-03-03T18:37:00.443ZShawn Bakerhttp://woodenboatpeople.org/profile/ShawnBaker
<div class="o9v6fnle cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I don't think you could go "too heavy" as the river carries your weight. On the big boat, I could have a 450# light boat, the 550# boat I have, or a 700# tank. But for a week+ trip, we'll add 500-1000# of bodies and 300-500# of gear and the 250# delta in boat weight makes little difference.…</div>
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<div class="o9v6fnle cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">I don't think you could go "too heavy" as the river carries your weight. On the big boat, I could have a 450# light boat, the 550# boat I have, or a 700# tank. But for a week+ trip, we'll add 500-1000# of bodies and 300-500# of gear and the 250# delta in boat weight makes little difference.</div>
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<div class="o9v6fnle cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql"><div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">Great question!<br/><br/>I'm also drawing about 7-8" when loaded at about 1400#.</div>
</div> Great question.I have not yet…tag:woodenboatpeople.org,2021-03-03:1312281:Comment:2487682021-03-03T18:33:56.174ZShawn Bakerhttp://woodenboatpeople.org/profile/ShawnBaker
<p>Great question.<br></br><br></br>I have not yet weighed mine. Wifey and daughter have a vet/hog platform scale that I can use. Waiting until it gets closer to launch time and final weight for my new little boat.</p>
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<p>Great question.<br/><br/>I have not yet weighed mine. Wifey and daughter have a vet/hog platform scale that I can use. Waiting until it gets closer to launch time and final weight for my new little boat.</p>
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<p><br/><br/>Buddy of mine recently asked about weight, so I just thought through this--<br/><em>"<span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql rrkovp55 a8c37x1j keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v knj5qynh oo9gr5id" dir="auto">Is there a formula/thought process to determine how much is too little? Like if it's too light it will be fragile/prone to cracking? On the opposite side is there a point where too much serves no benefit?</span>"</em></p>
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<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;"><br/>My big 17' S&G Andy Hutchinson GC design boat is not built like a tank, but is probably on the conservative side of average. 1/4" meranti sides with (2)x 6oz inside and out for 4 layers, 1/2" doug fir floor with (2) 17oz Biax in and out for 4 total layers, 3/8" doug fir decks and bulkheads with one layer 6oz plain weave inside and out. Ash Gunnels. I did not use thick fillets. I used 8 or 9gal of epoxy. I calculated 550# but would not be surprised by 575#.</div>
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<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">The little boat is about the thinnest/lightest I would build to survive the occasional rock hit. 1/4" doug fir ply everywhere--floor, sides, and decks. 1x 8oz inside and out of sides and decks, 1x 22oz Biax in and out of floor. Big bulkheads are 1/4" cedarstrip with 8oz on both faces. I will probably hit 170#. Ply is 100+#, glass and epoxy are 40+lb, and the other 30lb is gunnels, decks, and hardware.</div>
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<div dir="auto" style="text-align: start;">My buddy <span>Blake</span> built the Lil Bastard with thicker plywood (9mm bottom and decks, 6mm sides) but thinner glass. 150#-ish. There's no perfect solution or formula and it's a fun discussion among boatmen around the campfire or boat shop.</div>
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<p></p> My 1754 McKenzie came out at…tag:woodenboatpeople.org,2021-02-17:1312281:Comment:2413762021-02-17T23:46:39.700ZBennett Yarbroughhttp://woodenboatpeople.org/profile/BennettYarbrough
<p>My 1754 McKenzie came out at 290 without an interior. I need to weigh it with the side trays and seats in. I’d bet 350... if you’re carrying 1500 lbs what’s an extra 150-200 for a passenger?</p>
<p>My 1754 McKenzie came out at 290 without an interior. I need to weigh it with the side trays and seats in. I’d bet 350... if you’re carrying 1500 lbs what’s an extra 150-200 for a passenger?</p>