Boatbuilding styles: Traditional frame, stitch & glue, or hybrid? - Wooden Boat People2024-03-28T17:14:49Zhttp://woodenboatpeople.org/forum/topics/boatbuilding-styles-traditional-frame-stitch-glue-or-hybrid?feed=yes&xn_auth=noYes Andrew I remember,but lik…tag:woodenboatpeople.org,2013-09-08:1312281:Comment:1105182013-09-08T17:09:14.693Ztungstenhttp://woodenboatpeople.org/profile/tungsten
<p>Yes Andrew I remember,but like Richard says almost impossible to make without a strong back of somesort to hold it and shape it.</p>
<p>Fillet and tape is much easier.</p>
<p>Yes Andrew I remember,but like Richard says almost impossible to make without a strong back of somesort to hold it and shape it.</p>
<p>Fillet and tape is much easier.</p> Tungsten, I recall you and I…tag:woodenboatpeople.org,2013-09-06:1312281:Comment:1102652013-09-06T19:42:28.842ZAndrewhttp://woodenboatpeople.org/profile/Andrew
<p>Tungsten, I recall you and I having a conversation about this type of this build in the past. </p>
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<p>In regards to the cooler as a front seat, Ive been running a canyon cooler as a front seat in my ribbed boat this season and love it. It is a cube shape rather than a long skinny cooler.</p>
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<p>Sadly, they dont make it anymore. It fits perfectly as a front seat pedestal. This one here looks to be identical, and cheaper. …</p>
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<p>Tungsten, I recall you and I having a conversation about this type of this build in the past. </p>
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<p>In regards to the cooler as a front seat, Ive been running a canyon cooler as a front seat in my ribbed boat this season and love it. It is a cube shape rather than a long skinny cooler.</p>
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<p>Sadly, they dont make it anymore. It fits perfectly as a front seat pedestal. This one here looks to be identical, and cheaper. </p>
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<p><a href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/53-Quart-50-Liter-Cube-shaped-Ice-Chest-Cooler-/120865608287">http://www.ebay.com/itm/53-Quart-50-Liter-Cube-shaped-Ice-Chest-Cooler-/120865608287</a></p>
<p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://canyoncoolers.com/images/70.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://canyoncoolers.com/images/70.jpg" class="align-full"/></a></p> I've put duck boards in stitc…tag:woodenboatpeople.org,2013-08-28:1312281:Comment:1090212013-08-28T02:16:17.661ZSandy Pittendrighhttp://woodenboatpeople.org/profile/SandyPittendrigh
<p>I've put duck boards in stitch and glue boats many times. Usually in three fit-tight-to-the-sides sections, so they can be lifted out for hull maintenance. That's the biggest drawback to framed boats: you can't take the ribs out for sanding and painting. </p>
<p>I've put duck boards in stitch and glue boats many times. Usually in three fit-tight-to-the-sides sections, so they can be lifted out for hull maintenance. That's the biggest drawback to framed boats: you can't take the ribs out for sanding and painting. </p> NICE photo AJ!tag:woodenboatpeople.org,2013-08-19:1312281:Comment:1084082013-08-19T19:40:25.171ZRichard Elderhttp://woodenboatpeople.org/profile/RichardElder
<p>NICE photo AJ!</p>
<p>NICE photo AJ!</p> Hi tungsten,
When I use the g…tag:woodenboatpeople.org,2013-08-19:1312281:Comment:1084792013-08-19T19:38:39.537ZRichard Elderhttp://woodenboatpeople.org/profile/RichardElder
<p>Hi tungsten,</p>
<p>When I use the glass or kevlar tape method to build the inner and outer chines I always end up spending an inordinate amount of time bent over fairing it perfectly so it looks right painted with LPU. Even with a Huchins orbital long board it is still a pain in the back. I suppose I could just cover it with black bed liner, but that just looks only slightly better than the spackle paint the production glass builders use to cover their poor workmanship.</p>
<p>Now a nice…</p>
<p>Hi tungsten,</p>
<p>When I use the glass or kevlar tape method to build the inner and outer chines I always end up spending an inordinate amount of time bent over fairing it perfectly so it looks right painted with LPU. Even with a Huchins orbital long board it is still a pain in the back. I suppose I could just cover it with black bed liner, but that just looks only slightly better than the spackle paint the production glass builders use to cover their poor workmanship.</p>
<p>Now a nice full length piece of laminated oak with the proper bevels to fit into the bottom and sides and epoxy in place, pre-finished before it is put in --- that is a different fish entirely. Easy to do with the jig building method that I use, and almost impossible without it.</p> I'd like to here more about t…tag:woodenboatpeople.org,2013-08-19:1312281:Comment:1084722013-08-19T13:45:33.741Ztungstenhttp://woodenboatpeople.org/profile/tungsten
<p>I'd like to here more about the inner and outer chine idea you mentioned.No fillet or glass in the inside?</p>
<p>I'd like to here more about the inner and outer chine idea you mentioned.No fillet or glass in the inside?</p> Thing is, spending the extra…tag:woodenboatpeople.org,2013-08-15:1312281:Comment:1080612013-08-15T13:25:13.802ZRichard Elderhttp://woodenboatpeople.org/profile/RichardElder
<p>Thing is, spending the extra money for BS 1088 Sapele plywood, even having it shipped to the wilds of Idaho, will only cost a few dollars a year over the life of the boat vs. using the "Marine Grade" fir plywood now available-- because the boat could well last far longer. And "cheap local materials? Use fir plywood from Home Depot and you've a boat that won't last five years unless you essentially build a glass boat over the outside of the junk fir core.</p>
<p>We've all heard the "that is…</p>
<p>Thing is, spending the extra money for BS 1088 Sapele plywood, even having it shipped to the wilds of Idaho, will only cost a few dollars a year over the life of the boat vs. using the "Marine Grade" fir plywood now available-- because the boat could well last far longer. And "cheap local materials? Use fir plywood from Home Depot and you've a boat that won't last five years unless you essentially build a glass boat over the outside of the junk fir core.</p>
<p>We've all heard the "that is too pretty to use nonsense." Just ignore it and go fishing! That is what drift boats are for.</p>
<p>And just to ruffle a few feathers, a frameless boat built with heavier side panels is not only easier to maintain but faster to build than a traditional frame design, given the same style of interior seats & stuff. Which doesn't negate the respect I have for people like AJ who choose to preserve the values incorporated in history.</p> What a great pic! Oh yeah,…tag:woodenboatpeople.org,2013-08-14:1312281:Comment:1077942013-08-14T23:11:58.903ZDon Hansonhttp://woodenboatpeople.org/profile/DonHanson
<p> What a great pic! Oh yeah, the boat looks nice, too....The pic captures the whole Boat thing though.... </p>
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<p>it floats you....and that pic shows floating really well, what with the clear water suspending (floating) the boat and the boat's shadow on the bottom....</p>
<p> What a great pic! Oh yeah, the boat looks nice, too....The pic captures the whole Boat thing though.... </p>
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<p>it floats you....and that pic shows floating really well, what with the clear water suspending (floating) the boat and the boat's shadow on the bottom....</p> This is a 1953 16x48 that was…tag:woodenboatpeople.org,2013-08-14:1312281:Comment:1077112013-08-14T22:09:15.798ZAJ DeRosahttp://woodenboatpeople.org/profile/AJDeRosa
<p>This is a 1953 16x48 that was built for Edsel Chase of Springfield, Oregon. LeRoy Pruitt recognized it a s "Ed's Boat" at Randy's show in 2007 or so. It's made with the legendary fir that no one has seen, except maybe Steve Steele, in 30 years. The workmanship is superb and an over the winter restoration to replace a missing transom and replace an old set of chinecaps has it back on the water. It's out there fishing the Snake as I write this. These boats do last. Treat them right and…</p>
<p>This is a 1953 16x48 that was built for Edsel Chase of Springfield, Oregon. LeRoy Pruitt recognized it a s "Ed's Boat" at Randy's show in 2007 or so. It's made with the legendary fir that no one has seen, except maybe Steve Steele, in 30 years. The workmanship is superb and an over the winter restoration to replace a missing transom and replace an old set of chinecaps has it back on the water. It's out there fishing the Snake as I write this. These boats do last. Treat them right and enjoy a piece of history.</p> So I have been seeing discuss…tag:woodenboatpeople.org,2013-08-14:1312281:Comment:1077052013-08-14T21:33:01.172ZMike Bakerhttp://woodenboatpeople.org/profile/MikeBaker
<p>So I have been seeing discussions like this on WBP for a while and have never posted. What I think people miss about the old boats is that they were built as a disposable tool, used in a ridiculously harsh environment and never intended to last a long time even though they had materials we will never have the privilege of using (that part is a shame). They sold these boats for nothing and had a very slim profit margin with a family to feed. I am sure if you told Keith Steel in the 70's that…</p>
<p>So I have been seeing discussions like this on WBP for a while and have never posted. What I think people miss about the old boats is that they were built as a disposable tool, used in a ridiculously harsh environment and never intended to last a long time even though they had materials we will never have the privilege of using (that part is a shame). They sold these boats for nothing and had a very slim profit margin with a family to feed. I am sure if you told Keith Steel in the 70's that in 2013 someone would pay over $1000 for a completely used up boat of his he would have called that person one stupid S.O.B. Having said that it is hard to put a price on a piece of history.</p>
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