Frame Strength Comparisons - Wooden Boat People2024-03-28T11:56:20Zhttp://woodenboatpeople.org/forum/topics/frame-strength-comparisons?commentId=1312281%3AComment%3A154005&xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noto add to the discussion on f…tag:woodenboatpeople.org,2019-02-19:1312281:Comment:1545532019-02-19T16:27:14.627ZBennett Yarbroughhttp://woodenboatpeople.org/profile/BennettYarbrough
<p>to add to the discussion on frame joints I'll point out Brad Dimock just does a regular full lap with only two bolts holding it all together. No glue involved. I think he said he does it specifically for replacing frames after a wreck. Me personally, if I build another boat I'm going to half lap em for looks</p>
<p>to add to the discussion on frame joints I'll point out Brad Dimock just does a regular full lap with only two bolts holding it all together. No glue involved. I think he said he does it specifically for replacing frames after a wreck. Me personally, if I build another boat I'm going to half lap em for looks</p> Greg, If you check my latest…tag:woodenboatpeople.org,2019-02-16:1312281:Comment:1543602019-02-16T00:33:55.476ZPhillip Westendorfhttp://woodenboatpeople.org/profile/PhillipWestendorf
Greg, If you check my latest post on my build last year there is a perfect example what happens when an object strikes the 1/4” cedar strip side between the frames. Luckily it was easily repaired, not so pretty though. My half laps were chosen for a simpler clean look.<br />
Phil
Greg, If you check my latest post on my build last year there is a perfect example what happens when an object strikes the 1/4” cedar strip side between the frames. Luckily it was easily repaired, not so pretty though. My half laps were chosen for a simpler clean look.<br />
Phil Chris, I think the most elega…tag:woodenboatpeople.org,2019-02-16:1312281:Comment:1545482019-02-16T00:03:06.974ZGreg Tatmanhttp://woodenboatpeople.org/profile/GregTatman
<p>Chris, I think the most elegant joint is a half lap with glue and screws, yet I have never done it, as when I think of the actual load the joint demands, it's not worth the time. In the case of a wooden drift boat, if the boat strikes something right on the side member hard enough for the joint to torque loose, that joint is the least of my worries. It's gonna be doing more damage, and I am going to be thinking hard about being somewhere else besides that boat. Remember too, that if the…</p>
<p>Chris, I think the most elegant joint is a half lap with glue and screws, yet I have never done it, as when I think of the actual load the joint demands, it's not worth the time. In the case of a wooden drift boat, if the boat strikes something right on the side member hard enough for the joint to torque loose, that joint is the least of my worries. It's gonna be doing more damage, and I am going to be thinking hard about being somewhere else besides that boat. Remember too, that if the boat hits a similar object BETWEEN the frames, it's only 1/4" plywood. I am refinishing a 1951 Woodie Hindman, and its plain overlap joints are still holding fine. I wish its 67 year old owner's joints were in as good a shape!! Cheers, Greg</p> Sorry to drag this back up..…tag:woodenboatpeople.org,2019-02-15:1312281:Comment:1545442019-02-15T23:27:50.911ZChrishttp://woodenboatpeople.org/profile/Chris522
Sorry to drag this back up.. As a life long carpenter I also appreciate the half lap without fasteners. My only 2 questions, as I hate to assume, the frames are 3/4” correct? So the lap takes them to 3/8” each? I want to believe in this one but, seems thin..<br />
Chris
Sorry to drag this back up.. As a life long carpenter I also appreciate the half lap without fasteners. My only 2 questions, as I hate to assume, the frames are 3/4” correct? So the lap takes them to 3/8” each? I want to believe in this one but, seems thin..<br />
Chris Hi Phil,
Interesting article.…tag:woodenboatpeople.org,2019-01-01:1312281:Comment:1540052019-01-01T02:07:54.522ZGuy Fredricksonhttp://woodenboatpeople.org/profile/GuyFredrickson
<p>Hi Phil,</p>
<p>Interesting article. However, I don't see why the #2 arrangement would be "stiffer" than the other two. I don't see the same taper in the profile in #2 that I see in #1 and #3. To me, the sides in #2 look strictly parallel. If that is in fact the case, that may account for the increased thickness.</p>
<p>Just a thought. I sometimes get hung-up on details like this.</p>
<p>Guy</p>
<p>Hi Phil,</p>
<p>Interesting article. However, I don't see why the #2 arrangement would be "stiffer" than the other two. I don't see the same taper in the profile in #2 that I see in #1 and #3. To me, the sides in #2 look strictly parallel. If that is in fact the case, that may account for the increased thickness.</p>
<p>Just a thought. I sometimes get hung-up on details like this.</p>
<p>Guy</p> Greg,
My concerns at the time…tag:woodenboatpeople.org,2018-12-31:1312281:Comment:1541892018-12-31T15:40:23.322ZPhillip Westendorfhttp://woodenboatpeople.org/profile/PhillipWestendorf
<p>Greg,</p>
<p>My concerns at the time I did this I had not built anything more than a cedar strip canoe. Frames, I thought were another whole thing. As I now look at things from a different perspective. I see the "light" as you point out in your comments. My initial concerns were the looks of the conventional frames, I didn't like them and wanted to use 1/2 lap joints for a "cleaner" look. Anyhow thanks for your comments. Hopefully others can better understand the Boats…</p>
<p>Greg,</p>
<p>My concerns at the time I did this I had not built anything more than a cedar strip canoe. Frames, I thought were another whole thing. As I now look at things from a different perspective. I see the "light" as you point out in your comments. My initial concerns were the looks of the conventional frames, I didn't like them and wanted to use 1/2 lap joints for a "cleaner" look. Anyhow thanks for your comments. Hopefully others can better understand the Boats features.</p>
<p>Phil </p> A fun article. For a perspect…tag:woodenboatpeople.org,2018-12-31:1312281:Comment:1540922018-12-31T02:05:45.317ZGreg Tatmanhttp://woodenboatpeople.org/profile/GregTatman
<p>A fun article. For a perspective, though, one must remember that the strength of a frame joint can be quite strong, or just adequately strong without making a lot of difference. Remember, glass boats, or aluminum boats have no frames at all! It's really the rounded hull shape that gives the boat its stiffness. Remember, on a wooden drift boat, the frame's "strength" is only holding 1/4" ply (on the sides). So, the strength of a frame member every foot or so isn't critical but for hanging…</p>
<p>A fun article. For a perspective, though, one must remember that the strength of a frame joint can be quite strong, or just adequately strong without making a lot of difference. Remember, glass boats, or aluminum boats have no frames at all! It's really the rounded hull shape that gives the boat its stiffness. Remember, on a wooden drift boat, the frame's "strength" is only holding 1/4" ply (on the sides). So, the strength of a frame member every foot or so isn't critical but for hanging seats and other stuff on. They also serve as an approachable technology for inexperienced home builders. Best of all, they make the boat FEEL like a boat! Greg Tatman</p>