I have a Ply/Epoxy boat but am curious - Wooden Boat People2024-03-28T16:53:18Zhttp://woodenboatpeople.org/forum/topics/i-have-a-ply-epoxy-boat-but-am-curious?commentId=1312281%3AComment%3A157579&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noEveryone seems to be telling…tag:woodenboatpeople.org,2019-12-27:1312281:Comment:1575792019-12-27T02:07:33.791ZDon Tysonhttp://woodenboatpeople.org/profile/DonTyson
<p>Everyone seems to be telling me that so I will soon do that. </p>
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<p>Everyone seems to be telling me that so I will soon do that. </p>
<p></p> It's a double ender with a tr…tag:woodenboatpeople.org,2019-12-26:1312281:Comment:1575782019-12-26T15:29:56.082ZDavid Wittonhttp://woodenboatpeople.org/profile/DavidWitton
<p>It's a double ender with a transom, straight out of Roger Fletcher's book <em>Drift Boats and River Dories</em>. If you don't already have a copy, pick one up. It's not only an indispensable reference, it's also interesting reading. </p>
<p>It's a double ender with a transom, straight out of Roger Fletcher's book <em>Drift Boats and River Dories</em>. If you don't already have a copy, pick one up. It's not only an indispensable reference, it's also interesting reading. </p> Thats not a boat David. Boats…tag:woodenboatpeople.org,2019-12-25:1312281:Comment:1575772019-12-25T01:18:35.102ZDon Tysonhttp://woodenboatpeople.org/profile/DonTyson
<p>Thats not a boat David. Boats are supposed to have glue and glop carelessly dripped all over and carelessly sanded off, lol. </p>
<p>Seriously that was a great tutorial and will come in handy on my next build. </p>
<p>Which boat was it?</p>
<p>Thats not a boat David. Boats are supposed to have glue and glop carelessly dripped all over and carelessly sanded off, lol. </p>
<p>Seriously that was a great tutorial and will come in handy on my next build. </p>
<p>Which boat was it?</p> Don - Here's the sequence I f…tag:woodenboatpeople.org,2019-12-24:1312281:Comment:1577742019-12-24T16:24:10.165ZDavid Wittonhttp://woodenboatpeople.org/profile/DavidWitton
<p>Don - Here's the sequence I followed:</p>
<p>1. Install each frame and the transom, securing each frame at the chine and gunwale with temporary screws. </p>
<p>2. At each frame, predrill holes for the nails, mask the inside of hull to handle epoxy squeezeout, and clamp alignment blocks on either side of the frame.</p>
<p>3. Remove the frame, apply thickened epoxy, re-install the frame using screws to re-establish alignment and drive the nails.</p>
<p>More info and pictures …</p>
<p>Don - Here's the sequence I followed:</p>
<p>1. Install each frame and the transom, securing each frame at the chine and gunwale with temporary screws. </p>
<p>2. At each frame, predrill holes for the nails, mask the inside of hull to handle epoxy squeezeout, and clamp alignment blocks on either side of the frame.</p>
<p>3. Remove the frame, apply thickened epoxy, re-install the frame using screws to re-establish alignment and drive the nails.</p>
<p>More info and pictures <a href="http://woodenboatpeople.org/forum/topics/16-double-ender-w-transom" target="_blank" rel="noopener">here</a>.</p>
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<p>One difference I've noticed between the folks building dories - the Grand Canyon folks build with the knowledge that they will need to disassemble to repair at some point. In addition, the boats take much less abuse when they are moved to and from the river, compared to folks in the northwest running rivers like the Owyhee, Deschutes and John Day. So for instance they use slot head screws (easier to remove goo from the head) and might screw the sides to the frames instead of using nails and epoxy. </p> Thanks for all the help. I’ll…tag:woodenboatpeople.org,2019-12-22:1312281:Comment:1577672019-12-22T21:13:54.300ZDon Tysonhttp://woodenboatpeople.org/profile/DonTyson
Thanks for all the help. I’ll do it soon.
Thanks for all the help. I’ll do it soon. Don, check out Brad Dimock’s…tag:woodenboatpeople.org,2019-12-22:1312281:Comment:1578872019-12-22T17:14:57.113ZShawn Bakerhttp://woodenboatpeople.org/profile/ShawnBaker
Don, check out Brad Dimock’s Fretwaterlines blog. He predrills the sides and has a lot of other time saving ideas for framed boats.
Don, check out Brad Dimock’s Fretwaterlines blog. He predrills the sides and has a lot of other time saving ideas for framed boats. I have 300-ish hours in my de…tag:woodenboatpeople.org,2019-12-22:1312281:Comment:1576672019-12-22T17:11:12.857ZShawn Bakerhttp://woodenboatpeople.org/profile/ShawnBaker
I have 300-ish hours in my decked S&G Grand Canyon dory.<br />
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I had previous experience building wood/fiberglass kayaks (both S&G and stripper) so S&G was an obvious choice for me.<br />
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Both construction types have pros and cons, but I would agree that framed is a quicker, more organic build.<br />
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Build new oars Don! They are a quick and rewarding project. IMHO you can learn as much building them as an entire boat.<br />
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Cheers!<br />
Shawn
I have 300-ish hours in my decked S&G Grand Canyon dory.<br />
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I had previous experience building wood/fiberglass kayaks (both S&G and stripper) so S&G was an obvious choice for me.<br />
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Both construction types have pros and cons, but I would agree that framed is a quicker, more organic build.<br />
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Build new oars Don! They are a quick and rewarding project. IMHO you can learn as much building them as an entire boat.<br />
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Cheers!<br />
Shawn Don I think it’d be best to b…tag:woodenboatpeople.org,2019-12-22:1312281:Comment:1578842019-12-22T16:06:54.076ZBennett Yarbroughhttp://woodenboatpeople.org/profile/BennettYarbrough
<p>Don I think it’d be best to buy the book “drift boats and river dories” by Roger fletcher. It walks you through the history as well as the construction of the Mackenzie dory as well as other ply on frame boats and includes plans for a few boats. You can predrill the holes or just drill them as you go. But yes the key is to mark all frame placements on the outside of the panels.</p>
<p>Don I think it’d be best to buy the book “drift boats and river dories” by Roger fletcher. It walks you through the history as well as the construction of the Mackenzie dory as well as other ply on frame boats and includes plans for a few boats. You can predrill the holes or just drill them as you go. But yes the key is to mark all frame placements on the outside of the panels.</p> I'm torn. At 61 I didn't need…tag:woodenboatpeople.org,2019-12-21:1312281:Comment:1576622019-12-21T19:41:36.286ZDon Tysonhttp://woodenboatpeople.org/profile/DonTyson
I'm torn. At 61 I didn't need this new love. I came upon it online and it stuck. After reading about drift boats for the first time in late May this year I saw a large elegantly done DB in heavy traffic on I-95 between Wilmington and Baltimore somewhere. I've been playing with epoxy my whole adult life but never built more than a small skid and this DB. While I like it for painted boats I find S&G sloppy looking in comparison to more conventional methods. It is fast.<br />
When building these…
I'm torn. At 61 I didn't need this new love. I came upon it online and it stuck. After reading about drift boats for the first time in late May this year I saw a large elegantly done DB in heavy traffic on I-95 between Wilmington and Baltimore somewhere. I've been playing with epoxy my whole adult life but never built more than a small skid and this DB. While I like it for painted boats I find S&G sloppy looking in comparison to more conventional methods. It is fast.<br />
When building these boats are the side planks pre-drilled? The market is fine, i'm tired…tag:woodenboatpeople.org,2019-12-21:1312281:Comment:1576612019-12-21T17:59:43.122ZMike Bakerhttp://woodenboatpeople.org/profile/MikeBaker
<p>The market is fine, i'm tired honestly. Doing boats around a full time job, elderly parents blah blah blah. Need time for fishing too!</p>
<p>I will likely do some smaller 11' Pram/Jon boat stuff for still waters as that is my passion these days.</p>
<p>The fasteners definitely ad strength plus they hold everything together while the epoxy cures. As we are essentially gluing the end grain on the frames I do think you might need fillets if there were no fasteners. At that point you might as…</p>
<p>The market is fine, i'm tired honestly. Doing boats around a full time job, elderly parents blah blah blah. Need time for fishing too!</p>
<p>I will likely do some smaller 11' Pram/Jon boat stuff for still waters as that is my passion these days.</p>
<p>The fasteners definitely ad strength plus they hold everything together while the epoxy cures. As we are essentially gluing the end grain on the frames I do think you might need fillets if there were no fasteners. At that point you might as well go S&G. I like S&G boats but hate epoxy work so I probably won't ever go that route.</p>
<p>Mike</p>