Question - side patch - Wooden Boat People2024-03-28T12:47:25Zhttp://woodenboatpeople.org/forum/topics/question-side-patch?commentId=1312281%3AComment%3A159945&xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noHey Sandy!! Hope you continue…tag:woodenboatpeople.org,2020-09-21:1312281:Comment:1600572020-09-21T14:44:32.644ZPeter Honsbergerhttp://woodenboatpeople.org/profile/PeterHonsberger
<p>Hey Sandy!! Hope you continue to feel better!!!</p>
<p>Took a break from the boat and headed for the Smokey mountains last week. Just me, my tent and my fly rod! 5 days. It was a awesome. Zero cell service. Got my center back...</p>
<p>This is great and something I had been puzzling over in my mind. Believe this is the way I'm gonna proceed! Got the rotting part of the side and the inner chine removed on Saturday. Other than some sanding it's close to being ready to accept the new…</p>
<p>Hey Sandy!! Hope you continue to feel better!!!</p>
<p>Took a break from the boat and headed for the Smokey mountains last week. Just me, my tent and my fly rod! 5 days. It was a awesome. Zero cell service. Got my center back...</p>
<p>This is great and something I had been puzzling over in my mind. Believe this is the way I'm gonna proceed! Got the rotting part of the side and the inner chine removed on Saturday. Other than some sanding it's close to being ready to accept the new pieces.</p>
<p>Feeling good about the results! I will tell you making those first cuts was a little nerve wracking but once I got rolling, all good!!</p>
<p>Thanks again!!! As always you guys have been fantastic!</p> The only boat I know of that'…tag:woodenboatpeople.org,2020-09-15:1312281:Comment:1601432020-09-15T23:37:55.001ZSandy Pittendrighhttp://woodenboatpeople.org/profile/SandyPittendrigh
<p>The only boat I know of that's 49" on the bottom is a Montana Riverboats Beavertail, which was meant to be built as a stitch and glue boat. Without any ribs.</p>
<p>When I build those I ignore that 1/2" sliver either side of the middle. After installing the bottom I slobber up an extremely loose fitting shim, cover it with epoxy putty and push said shims into the two 1/2"slits. Cover with more putty and glass over it. </p>
<p>The only boat I know of that's 49" on the bottom is a Montana Riverboats Beavertail, which was meant to be built as a stitch and glue boat. Without any ribs.</p>
<p>When I build those I ignore that 1/2" sliver either side of the middle. After installing the bottom I slobber up an extremely loose fitting shim, cover it with epoxy putty and push said shims into the two 1/2"slits. Cover with more putty and glass over it. </p> Thanks Rick!!!
That's probab…tag:woodenboatpeople.org,2020-09-09:1312281:Comment:1599172020-09-09T18:21:40.302ZPeter Honsbergerhttp://woodenboatpeople.org/profile/PeterHonsberger
<p>Thanks Rick!!! </p>
<p>That's probably what I'll do. Just was a little concerned with the integrity of the bottom with the additional joints. But if you say good to go, I'll take that direction. </p>
<p>She's coming along!! </p>
<p>Thanks. Again for all your help!!!</p>
<p>Thanks Rick!!! </p>
<p>That's probably what I'll do. Just was a little concerned with the integrity of the bottom with the additional joints. But if you say good to go, I'll take that direction. </p>
<p>She's coming along!! </p>
<p>Thanks. Again for all your help!!!</p> Peter, you could also do a mo…tag:woodenboatpeople.org,2020-09-09:1312281:Comment:1600252020-09-09T18:08:34.977ZRick Newmanhttp://woodenboatpeople.org/profile/RickNewman
<p>Peter, you could also do a more traditional scarf joint with 1 in 12 ratio on either side of the boat. Same concept as in the middle of the boat when plywood is commonly scarfed together. Plenty of examples of how to do so on here. Nothing special needed. a plane, time, glue and clamps!</p>
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<p>Peter, you could also do a more traditional scarf joint with 1 in 12 ratio on either side of the boat. Same concept as in the middle of the boat when plywood is commonly scarfed together. Plenty of examples of how to do so on here. Nothing special needed. a plane, time, glue and clamps!</p>
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<p></p> Another thought occurred to m…tag:woodenboatpeople.org,2020-09-09:1312281:Comment:1600242020-09-09T16:26:28.515ZPeter Honsbergerhttp://woodenboatpeople.org/profile/PeterHonsberger
<p>Another thought occurred to me. </p>
<p>Lap scarf about a 3" x 2' piece on either side of the bottom piece at the widest point.</p>
<p>Center the bottom on the boat. Then attach. There would then be only a 1/2" area either side which</p>
<p>sits on the inner chine, making up for the shortfall in width.</p>
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<p>Shooting in the dark here guys!! Trying the find an answer. Is there any merit at all to this?</p>
<p>Another thought occurred to me. </p>
<p>Lap scarf about a 3" x 2' piece on either side of the bottom piece at the widest point.</p>
<p>Center the bottom on the boat. Then attach. There would then be only a 1/2" area either side which</p>
<p>sits on the inner chine, making up for the shortfall in width.</p>
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<p>Shooting in the dark here guys!! Trying the find an answer. Is there any merit at all to this?</p> Quick question. Run into a li…tag:woodenboatpeople.org,2020-09-08:1312281:Comment:1599162020-09-08T23:08:30.333ZPeter Honsbergerhttp://woodenboatpeople.org/profile/PeterHonsberger
<p>Quick question. Run into a little bit of a dilemma. The boat bottom at its widest point is 49" edge to edge. (Ain't it always the way...) 48" is the norm in plywood, as you all know. </p>
<p>Have any of you run into this problem? The obvious answer to me is I'd have to add to the width with another scarf. Not feeling it, but if it's the only solution I'll need to do it. The original bottom only had one for the length.</p>
<p>Is there a reputable wood company that could give me a custom…</p>
<p>Quick question. Run into a little bit of a dilemma. The boat bottom at its widest point is 49" edge to edge. (Ain't it always the way...) 48" is the norm in plywood, as you all know. </p>
<p>Have any of you run into this problem? The obvious answer to me is I'd have to add to the width with another scarf. Not feeling it, but if it's the only solution I'll need to do it. The original bottom only had one for the length.</p>
<p>Is there a reputable wood company that could give me a custom piece of marine grade fir, custom cut to work???</p>
<p>Kind of puzzling how to attack this! Thanks for all your help!!!!</p> Hey Jonathan!
The link worked…tag:woodenboatpeople.org,2020-09-02:1312281:Comment:1599452020-09-02T15:14:15.713ZPeter Honsbergerhttp://woodenboatpeople.org/profile/PeterHonsberger
<p>Hey Jonathan!</p>
<p>The link worked. Just what I was looking for!! It's pretty much what I was thinking of doing, but to have it laid out like this by AJ is perfect! I'll modify slightly to follow AJ's lead. Generally I'm a visual guy, I love pics of the process!</p>
<p>Thanks again!!!</p>
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<p>Hey Jonathan!</p>
<p>The link worked. Just what I was looking for!! It's pretty much what I was thinking of doing, but to have it laid out like this by AJ is perfect! I'll modify slightly to follow AJ's lead. Generally I'm a visual guy, I love pics of the process!</p>
<p>Thanks again!!!</p>
<p></p> You might check AJ DeRosa's p…tag:woodenboatpeople.org,2020-09-02:1312281:Comment:1598392020-09-02T14:41:35.121ZJonathan Clarkehttp://woodenboatpeople.org/profile/JonathanClarke
<p>You might check AJ DeRosa's post from February, 2009 on doing in-place scarfs on the side of a boat. Maybe this URL will work:</p>
<p><a href="http://woodenboatpeople.org/profiles/blogs/in-place-plywood-scarf-for">http://woodenboatpeople.org/profiles/blogs/in-place-plywood-scarf-for</a></p>
<p>You might check AJ DeRosa's post from February, 2009 on doing in-place scarfs on the side of a boat. Maybe this URL will work:</p>
<p><a href="http://woodenboatpeople.org/profiles/blogs/in-place-plywood-scarf-for">http://woodenboatpeople.org/profiles/blogs/in-place-plywood-scarf-for</a></p> Hey Ants!
This is great info!…tag:woodenboatpeople.org,2020-09-01:1312281:Comment:1596772020-09-01T15:42:30.666ZPeter Honsbergerhttp://woodenboatpeople.org/profile/PeterHonsberger
<p>Hey Ants!</p>
<p>This is great info! Especially since I'm putting a new bottom on and will have to scarf the 2 new pieces for that as well.</p>
<p>I really appreciate your help! Many thanks!!</p>
<p>Peter</p>
<p>Hey Ants!</p>
<p>This is great info! Especially since I'm putting a new bottom on and will have to scarf the 2 new pieces for that as well.</p>
<p>I really appreciate your help! Many thanks!!</p>
<p>Peter</p> The general practice when cut…tag:woodenboatpeople.org,2020-09-01:1312281:Comment:1596682020-09-01T04:00:02.086ZAnts Uigahttp://woodenboatpeople.org/profile/AntsUiga
<p>The general practice when cutting out plywood (or fiberglass) patches is to use a joint that is more scarf joint than butt joint. A scarf joint provides much more area for the new and old material to bond. For scarf joints, a 1:12 ratio of length of joint to width is usually suggested. The material to make the joint is usually two part epoxy (West Systems, etc) rather than 5200. It may take longer to fit the patch with the scarf joint, but with careful fitting and flush sanding the…</p>
<p>The general practice when cutting out plywood (or fiberglass) patches is to use a joint that is more scarf joint than butt joint. A scarf joint provides much more area for the new and old material to bond. For scarf joints, a 1:12 ratio of length of joint to width is usually suggested. The material to make the joint is usually two part epoxy (West Systems, etc) rather than 5200. It may take longer to fit the patch with the scarf joint, but with careful fitting and flush sanding the surface, the repair will have little visual impact. </p>