Welcome to the site & all the wooden boat "madness"... really like your boat!! I'll look for you on the local water... I hang out mostly on the McKenzie and mostly above the dam.
GH
You are correct on the ventilation. I leave the main garage door open about 10" and the standard door in the back of the shop open while the heater is running. This creates just enough of a draft to keep things well ventilated.
As for the Clack's they are adored, which I don't understand. I went out with a client this past fall and rowed his and was not a fan at all. The floor is like a waterbed... no kidding. It sucked. I would say they are the most popular with the guides over here. And how can we forget Hyde's? My guess for the popularity is that Hyde's are manufactured in Eastern Idaho and Clack has the largest dealership here and they are easy to own.
Rigby is in Eastern Idaho, just outside of Idaho Falls on Hwy 20. Hwy 20 is the hwy that takes you to West Yellowstone and Ennis Mt. I actually live outside of Rigby, about 20 min's from the Byington boat ramp on the South Fork of the Snake. To give you a Montana perspective, I live about 1hour 50 mins from the 3 Dollar Bridge section of the Madison. Great river with a spectacular Salmon Fly hatch.
I didn't realize you are refinishing your 16' Tatman. I am doing the same on exact the same boat. For the past 20 years my boat was babied by my uncle. As a result I am only stripping and refinishing the interior. I think I am going to put on an oil finish this time, no varnish. What are your thoughts? How far into it are you? One last question are your pictures in Mt?
You hit the nail right on the head. I work with a guy that used to guide on the Green and these were his exact words.. "I can just slide over and off rocks". Regardless, I'm less than impressed. I will say this though, I do get quite a few comments about my boat on the South Fork of the Snake.
I have a question for you on your restore. Are you going to strip the paint? If so do you have any ideas on how? AJ, from Wooden Boat Tours in Jackson Wy, suggested that I use Aqua Strip but I can't find any locally and will have to order some. Just wondering if you have tried anything else.
How wide is your boat? My comes in at 48" but looks much "thinner" than yours. Anyway, have a sucessful and productive weekend at work.
First off, you went to OSU? I am a U of U grad, great football game this year huh? I know you guys came out short but it was still a great game. I have not heard of JBR but my father who is a land development attorney in ST. George has worked with them on a few cases.
My boat is 16' 48" just as yours, I guess I just need to figure out the camera angle thing, cause my boat always looks skinny. I am excited to get her finished and get some good pics.
This weekend was pretty slow going for me because I had some work for my day job to get done for some upcoming meetings in Salt Lake. I took AJ's advice and bought a varnish stripper. As with any thing that is new it takes a bit to fill out the process and get comfortable. For me and this process it was about 6 sets of ribs. I applied the first layer of stripper on the rowers left, the three ribs in front of the oar locks. A nice thin coat went on in about 10 mins. I let it set for about 45 mins. Once my impatience got the best of me I stopped working on my day job stuff and jumped into the removal. It was not bad going and within about 45 mins I had most of it stripped and sanded down to the bear wood.
There were a number of sections that appeared to be a little lite on the stripping gel so I went over board on the next application. So the good news is all the varnish will be off no problems. The bad news is that the wood will not dry out until May ;). Hopefully not that long but its been a day now and still way damp. So lesson learned, put on a nice thin coat and let is set for as long as you can. The amount is no where near as important as the time to set. Oh well you live and learn. As soon as the wood drys I will through up some pics.
I have thought about a blog myself for the exact same reason. Let me know if you do it. What kind of paint are you going to use? I think I am going paint the outside of my boat. Right now the out side of boat is covered in a deep red stain, but it is starting to come off in a few places. Since I don't know the color of the stain I think I am going to find a color of paint that is as similar as possible and go with that.
Living in Eastern Idaho is wonderful. As I mentioned above I went to school and grew up in Utah. However, I had the wonderful fortune of falling in love with a gal who not only grew up in Eastern Idaho, but happen to be the daughter of one of its biggest fly fishing icons. My father in law, Bill Schiess, has been guiding on Herny's Lake in Island Park for 25 years. My wife used to run his fly shop and tie his fly's. How great is that!! The only problem is there is to much water. I had to devote my time to just one so I could figure it out. However, the water is very, very blah. I spend most of my time on the South Fork of the Snake with only a few trip(s) to the Madison a year. The water on the South Fork is like a moving pond. I would love to get up to your neck of the woods some day and give the big water a run.
Well it's back to the real world. Have a great week and good luck with any work on the boat. If you have some, post a few pics.
It gets even smaller. When I lived in Seattle I lived with a guy for a while that ended up being a Defensive End for the Beavers. Sefa O'Reilly. What an interesting dude. His mom was Tongan and his dad wash 1/2 Irish. Hence the screwy combo of names. Good guy though. Let's see that would have been... I think 98 - 01 is when he was playing.
I should have all the old varnish stripped today. I'm pretty stoked about that. Once I get the varnish all stripped away, I am going to add the foot release anchor system. Then it's on to the seating. I am going to completely redo the rowing station. I am going to setup the rowing seat to slide just like the front seat. My hope is that I will be better suited to trim the boat when I have fewer of smaller passengers in the front. I saw a Tatman style boat with this on the South Fork last year and seemed like it would be a good idea.
After that I need to rebuild the front seat, the casting deck and front horns, setup the set of horns I have for the back seat. Put the new rear seat in and put on the floor boards. I guess somewhere in there I need to finish the interior and refinish the exterior. However, it need to be a lot warmer than it is now for that so I am going to wait for a while.
Man when I put that all down on paper it looks like a bigger project than in my head... oh well I'm having a good time. Anyway, I am going to post some pics today to document my progress. Have you decided to move forward on the blog? Got any new pics of Old Blue? Good luck today.
Yea I am trying to get it so that three can fish comfortably. I am going to use this rear knee lock. I think it will block into the gunnels well. I had three fishing from the boat a few times last year. Not to big of a problem except that all the weight was in the back. I saw a picture of a boat that Sanderson from Tatman had built and I noticed that the rowing station was adjustable. Additionally, I ran into a guy last year that had a wood boat that was adjustable. From an enginering standpoint it should be fine, every single one of those Clack's and Hyde's is that way. You're right, from a fishing point of view they did get that one right. I also started a thread on here asking a question about it, and the overwhelming response was just to go with it. So I will see how that works. The good thing for me right now is that the water I fish is totally flat. Very little, if any, white water to speak of.
Took a look at those pic's of your boat. Man you put a lot of work into it so far, much more than me; kudos! I dig your choice of blue. I have always wanted a sleek dark blue boat. My fav boat colors are 1st deep navy blue, 2nd forest green and 3rd this red I have now. I think that last one finds it way onto the list via nostalgia. Have you seen a boat that is painted with that Interlux paint? I am hoping that is finishes similar to the spar varnish, glassy.
Man I am with you on the fishing bit... I can't get in the water fast enough. I usually start fishing one of the upper section of the North Fork of the Snake in March. It's cold, but man if you hit it right its a riot.
I got the bug as well. I have loved this project and look forward to a new boat. However, that one is going to have to wait for a few more years. I am thinking the 17 1/2' 56". My thinking is the wider the bottom the easier it will be to hold on a bank fishing, again we'll see.
I threw up some pics of my progress weekend. I have all the varnish gone and am now onto the finishing sanding. I got the wood for the floor boards on Saturday. So hopefully I will be able to make some bigger strides now that I can attack little projects throughout the week after work.
I wish you great progress this week.
I like the Tight Lines bit so, back at ya - Tight Lines,
Hi Craig,
I had quite a bit of checking so I sanded (forever) and used polyurethane sanding sealer as a start. This helped fill in some of the micro cracks so that when I started primering it, it covered up about 80% of the checking cracks. I put 3 coats of primer on and wet sanded each coat. You're right, I used Interlux for the final coats. I put on two regular coats just like it says but then I put on a third coat that was thinned down. I think it helps it achieve the gloss finish when its thinned a bit. Perhaps 15%?
After refinishing mine for the second time, if I have to do it a third, I'll sell it to some youngster and start over with a new kit.
;o)
Hi Craig,
Since I started with a polyurethane sanding sealer I was comitted to go that way. I used Interlux "Pre Kote" primer and "Brightside" polyurethane and their (special) 216 thinner.
Its pretty simple to use but since I don't have a paint booth or a sprayer system I had to do it all with a brush. Of course if you look at it closely you'll see the inevitable paint "sags". To be honest, I wet sanded the first two color coats to try to get rid of some of the worst sags. This "percussive learning" taught me how much I could get away with. I thinned down the last coat since I think it it helps the paint flow and gloss. The other aspect I had to deal with was that I did this in February in my garage. I had to wait until the weather was fairly warm and dry (>50 degrees), I rolled the boat into the driveway so it could warm up like a lizard, paint on one coat, roll it back into the garage, ensure that there was plenty of ventilation, and leave it completely alone to dry for a few days.
BTW Craig, Thanks for the nice compliment.
There is one little "trick" that I used when sanding. (wet or dry). I get a piece of 1/4" MDF board and cut it to exactly half of a sheet of sandpaper. (long ways) I glue a piece of 2x4 on the back as a handle. Then I use spray on glue (just a little bit to make it tacky) and stick the sandpaper on the MDF. This helps keep me from creating pressure points (gouges) from my fingers through the sandpaper and gives me a very smooth/flat surface. It also helps me control the pressure on the sandpaper by distributing it across the entire piece.
Oh - If you use just a bit of spray glue, you can replace the sandpaper as you need to.
Its a very simple contraption to create but I think the results are really worthwhile.
How goes the battle? Things are moving a long here. I have put in my new anchor system and have begun work on the floor. However, I am stuck with a question of how to attach the floor boards. Anyway, just thought I would check in and see how things are coming for you. BTW are you going to the boat show on the McKenzie? I think it's on April 25th? Let me know.
I am not sure that I am going to be able to make it up to Or this year. I would love to I will just have to see how things pan out. The sun is awesome, although it has been raining here quite a bit lately too. Like you I am thankful for the rain as it fills the lakes and reservoirs and keeps the rivers high late into the summer.
The boat is coming along. I keep posting picture here and looks at the pics and think, "man that looks like crap, I need to redo that part"... oh well. I am hoping that it's just the lighting. I have the floors mostly completed. I am going to be rebuilding the front seat and rowing station next. The the fly deck and back seat. After that I just need it to warm up enough to start applying the oil to the interior. I am getting stoked to get back on the water though. Soon I hope.
Well I wish you no work travel days and some unexpected vacation time.
Craig,
I have been building mine since the fall - but mainly on the weekends. Hoping to have it done mid-summer. My boat is a low side version of the Tatman 17x52... I think low side is the way to go for our slower meandering rivers for windy conditions. My boat is Meranti - and the exterior parts have been coated with epoxy prior to assembly - but the interior is left bare as I have decided to oil it. I am also thinking of painting my boat.
The kits are top notch, and the scarfs are a cool looking feature that Randy and Sandy are doing exclusively. I was sold on the boat after we went to the McKenzie show last spring and took a ride in one of their boats...
Thank you for the complements. I have put a lot of hours into this project, but it has been great. I just saw the pics of your boat all primed up. Looks great. I wish I had some pearl of wisdom the exposed screw's but alas I don't.
I got sick this week, thanks kids, and did almost nothing on my boat until this weekend. My parents were here this weekend and my dad and I made a little progress this weekend. Completely finished all floorboard work and got the new front seat almost finished. I have the rowing seat, back seat, back knee braces, fly deck, handrails, oil and painting. Man it always sounds like so much more when I write it down.
Craig,
Pre-construction assembly was done in a long day. I pre varnished everything with three coats prior to assembly and pre painted the exterior. Due to the rapid consruction schedule(losing my shop space), and the fact that I had no help there was some touch up needed after I finished. Had I had an extra set of hand, or more time there would have been little or no touch up post construction. I think I will actually spray another two coats of varnish on the inside when the weather warms as this boat will see a lot of actual use. The limiting factor on speed was without a doubt the drying time between coats of paint, varnish, and epoxy. That being said, take your time on every single part of the project and try not to move on until your are happy with the step your working on. Take your time on the pre finishing and it will turn out great. It will really help if you have a concise vision of how you want the boat to turn out, then just dig in. I'll be happy to answer any questions you have as you get rolling although most guys on this site know quite a bit more than I do. Good Luck!
I cut a new yoke out of the same Cedar that I used on the floor and about 3/4" thick. On the back of that yoke I am going to attach a "ripped strip" about 1/2" thick by 1" wide where the casting deck (when I figure out how to cut the stupid thing) will attach. Then through that rip strip I am planning on using 2" grabber screws (about 4) to hold the horns on. This is how the horns were attached when I got the boat, with new materials. I have attached a few photos of the new yoke.
Craig - Both are Tracey O'Brien S&G designs, the first built by a friend (who modified the plans a bit) and the one in back is mine. I uploaded another pic that has a better view of how they are constructed. It's a very simple, but ingenius design that I claim no credit for and my friend cribbed it from someone else, so I can't say who came up with it. The rear braces are attached through the gap in the gunwales with a section of threaded rod bent in the shape of a "J" with and then inserted into clear tubing so as not to chaffe the wood. the upsidedown "J"'s are held in place with wing nuts and lock washers. You'll notice that the forward piece of wood is placed on the backside of a rib and the back piece is placed on the front side of a rib. This allows the pressure put on the braces to hold it better in place......Make sense??? It took some trial and error to get the correct lengths.
Craig,
Will that boat be ready for the Festival and the Float on the 25th... hope so - should be a fun day and a great "group float"... let me know if you need help sanding or painting - I'm pretty slow but I'm persistent as hell.
GH
Big Horn River, MT. We were fishing from Fort Smith to 3 Mile takeout August 4, 5 and 6th last year. We tried every black fly we could think of, the fish didn't like our offerings. Apparently a Rusty spinner size 18 was what the fish wanted. Of course the owner of the camp we stayed didn't tell us that until we were leaving.
Craig, yesterday I got some time to look at the remainder of the boat. Take a look at my blog for details. Bottom line is I will have to replace all frame members and the sides. If your friend is serious about wanting the boat I could build up to his color choices, epoxy coverage, fiberglass on sides, varnish or piant on inside, etc. Can you ask him if he would like to talk about it and see if we could acheive a deal? If not then I will just use my best judgement.
My camera battery died last night but it revived enough to get some pictures this morning. I will attach them here. I don't think I will have to worry about doing a partial scarf like AJ so generously provided. I'll have to do a scarf on two new sheets of plywood because I am going to replace both sides. See the pictures of the rotten wood and poor repairs on the other side. Since the frames are rotten on the ends, I'll replace them also. Also the chine logs and chines are bad or going away so they will be new. With all that new wood, I'll probably replace everything else too! If you look closely at last nights pictures you will see rusty iron/steel screws. Everywhere they were installed water had entered and the wood rotted. I have a feeling that this boat is much older than 1984, but I'm not certain how fast iron can rust away to nothing and how long it takes wood to rot. At least the bottom is pretty solid, the seller said it was recently replaced. Too bad they didn't do the entire job right. Since I got laid off from my job officially today I may have some extra time to dedicate so I can complete the boat before the 24th.
That paint doesn't sound fun. Which sucks cause I am going to paint the outside of mine. Your pics look good. I have no idea when I am going to be able to fish. I wish I could get it done to bring it up to Oregon, but with some upcoming business trips and the time between now and then getting shorter, I don't think I am going to get her finished. I keep "obsessing" over stuff, and I ends up taking substantially longer than I had hoped. However, I think I can see the end. Who knows :D!
In one of your pics it looks like you are putting new rub strips on... yes? If so are you painting? The wood looks rich and wonderful. I am excited to see how it turns out. Man I wish I could come up there at the end of the month.
Anyway, I wish you wonderful progress on the project this weekend.
Craig, as my friend Greg Hatten knows, I've been fortunate to fish all over the place. Fly in helicopter trips - Dean River - Babine and more in BC. Love to fish the standards, Deschutes, Klickitat, Cowlitz, East Fork of the Lewis, Kalama, North Umpqua, Rouge. When I do go after trout, I have fished all of Wyoming, Idaho, many rivers in Colorado and we have a favorite where we catch 20+ # Rainbows and recently discovered the Owyhee in Eastern Oregon. Have you fished that one? 3# Browns a dime a dozen (20 + fish a day this size), 5# Browns common and that occasional 10# Brown. I did catch one Rainbow there last October I estimated by measuring to be about 8#. All of these fish on size 20 and 22 hooks. Little stuff but deadly.
So Craig, how is your groove coming? Any luck yet? I have decided to build the kit before I try to rebuild " Lazarus". Keep us informed on your progress.
Hey I have a question about your paint. Did you go with the Interlux Briteside? If so how much did you order and is that enough? Let me know your thoughts when you get a second.
Thanks for the info. Things are coming along. I decided to make the rowing seat adjustable which took some time to figure out. ,I am almost completely finished with the interior and should be ready to oil. I am not going to make it to OR for the festival. I have to be in SLC for work that weekend. I am planning on taking my boat to the festival over here on the Snake in May. I should have some pics soon....
Greg Hatten
GH
Feb 18, 2009
Jesse Ronnow
You are correct on the ventilation. I leave the main garage door open about 10" and the standard door in the back of the shop open while the heater is running. This creates just enough of a draft to keep things well ventilated.
As for the Clack's they are adored, which I don't understand. I went out with a client this past fall and rowed his and was not a fan at all. The floor is like a waterbed... no kidding. It sucked. I would say they are the most popular with the guides over here. And how can we forget Hyde's? My guess for the popularity is that Hyde's are manufactured in Eastern Idaho and Clack has the largest dealership here and they are easy to own.
Rigby is in Eastern Idaho, just outside of Idaho Falls on Hwy 20. Hwy 20 is the hwy that takes you to West Yellowstone and Ennis Mt. I actually live outside of Rigby, about 20 min's from the Byington boat ramp on the South Fork of the Snake. To give you a Montana perspective, I live about 1hour 50 mins from the 3 Dollar Bridge section of the Madison. Great river with a spectacular Salmon Fly hatch.
Good luck with the rest of your project.
Feb 19, 2009
Jesse Ronnow
I didn't realize you are refinishing your 16' Tatman. I am doing the same on exact the same boat. For the past 20 years my boat was babied by my uncle. As a result I am only stripping and refinishing the interior. I think I am going to put on an oil finish this time, no varnish. What are your thoughts? How far into it are you? One last question are your pictures in Mt?
JDR
Feb 19, 2009
Jesse Ronnow
You hit the nail right on the head. I work with a guy that used to guide on the Green and these were his exact words.. "I can just slide over and off rocks". Regardless, I'm less than impressed. I will say this though, I do get quite a few comments about my boat on the South Fork of the Snake.
I have a question for you on your restore. Are you going to strip the paint? If so do you have any ideas on how? AJ, from Wooden Boat Tours in Jackson Wy, suggested that I use Aqua Strip but I can't find any locally and will have to order some. Just wondering if you have tried anything else.
How wide is your boat? My comes in at 48" but looks much "thinner" than yours. Anyway, have a sucessful and productive weekend at work.
JDR
Feb 20, 2009
Jesse Ronnow
First off, you went to OSU? I am a U of U grad, great football game this year huh? I know you guys came out short but it was still a great game. I have not heard of JBR but my father who is a land development attorney in ST. George has worked with them on a few cases.
My boat is 16' 48" just as yours, I guess I just need to figure out the camera angle thing, cause my boat always looks skinny. I am excited to get her finished and get some good pics.
This weekend was pretty slow going for me because I had some work for my day job to get done for some upcoming meetings in Salt Lake. I took AJ's advice and bought a varnish stripper. As with any thing that is new it takes a bit to fill out the process and get comfortable. For me and this process it was about 6 sets of ribs. I applied the first layer of stripper on the rowers left, the three ribs in front of the oar locks. A nice thin coat went on in about 10 mins. I let it set for about 45 mins. Once my impatience got the best of me I stopped working on my day job stuff and jumped into the removal. It was not bad going and within about 45 mins I had most of it stripped and sanded down to the bear wood.
There were a number of sections that appeared to be a little lite on the stripping gel so I went over board on the next application. So the good news is all the varnish will be off no problems. The bad news is that the wood will not dry out until May ;). Hopefully not that long but its been a day now and still way damp. So lesson learned, put on a nice thin coat and let is set for as long as you can. The amount is no where near as important as the time to set. Oh well you live and learn. As soon as the wood drys I will through up some pics.
I have thought about a blog myself for the exact same reason. Let me know if you do it. What kind of paint are you going to use? I think I am going paint the outside of my boat. Right now the out side of boat is covered in a deep red stain, but it is starting to come off in a few places. Since I don't know the color of the stain I think I am going to find a color of paint that is as similar as possible and go with that.
Living in Eastern Idaho is wonderful. As I mentioned above I went to school and grew up in Utah. However, I had the wonderful fortune of falling in love with a gal who not only grew up in Eastern Idaho, but happen to be the daughter of one of its biggest fly fishing icons. My father in law, Bill Schiess, has been guiding on Herny's Lake in Island Park for 25 years. My wife used to run his fly shop and tie his fly's. How great is that!! The only problem is there is to much water. I had to devote my time to just one so I could figure it out. However, the water is very, very blah. I spend most of my time on the South Fork of the Snake with only a few trip(s) to the Madison a year. The water on the South Fork is like a moving pond. I would love to get up to your neck of the woods some day and give the big water a run.
Well it's back to the real world. Have a great week and good luck with any work on the boat. If you have some, post a few pics.
JDR
Feb 22, 2009
Jesse Ronnow
It gets even smaller. When I lived in Seattle I lived with a guy for a while that ended up being a Defensive End for the Beavers. Sefa O'Reilly. What an interesting dude. His mom was Tongan and his dad wash 1/2 Irish. Hence the screwy combo of names. Good guy though. Let's see that would have been... I think 98 - 01 is when he was playing.
I should have all the old varnish stripped today. I'm pretty stoked about that. Once I get the varnish all stripped away, I am going to add the foot release anchor system. Then it's on to the seating. I am going to completely redo the rowing station. I am going to setup the rowing seat to slide just like the front seat. My hope is that I will be better suited to trim the boat when I have fewer of smaller passengers in the front. I saw a Tatman style boat with this on the South Fork last year and seemed like it would be a good idea.
After that I need to rebuild the front seat, the casting deck and front horns, setup the set of horns I have for the back seat. Put the new rear seat in and put on the floor boards. I guess somewhere in there I need to finish the interior and refinish the exterior. However, it need to be a lot warmer than it is now for that so I am going to wait for a while.
Man when I put that all down on paper it looks like a bigger project than in my head... oh well I'm having a good time. Anyway, I am going to post some pics today to document my progress. Have you decided to move forward on the blog? Got any new pics of Old Blue? Good luck today.
Jesse
Feb 28, 2009
Jesse Ronnow
Yea I am trying to get it so that three can fish comfortably. I am going to use this rear knee lock. I think it will block into the gunnels well. I had three fishing from the boat a few times last year. Not to big of a problem except that all the weight was in the back. I saw a picture of a boat that Sanderson from Tatman had built and I noticed that the rowing station was adjustable. Additionally, I ran into a guy last year that had a wood boat that was adjustable. From an enginering standpoint it should be fine, every single one of those Clack's and Hyde's is that way. You're right, from a fishing point of view they did get that one right. I also started a thread on here asking a question about it, and the overwhelming response was just to go with it. So I will see how that works. The good thing for me right now is that the water I fish is totally flat. Very little, if any, white water to speak of.
Took a look at those pic's of your boat. Man you put a lot of work into it so far, much more than me; kudos! I dig your choice of blue. I have always wanted a sleek dark blue boat. My fav boat colors are 1st deep navy blue, 2nd forest green and 3rd this red I have now. I think that last one finds it way onto the list via nostalgia. Have you seen a boat that is painted with that Interlux paint? I am hoping that is finishes similar to the spar varnish, glassy.
Man I am with you on the fishing bit... I can't get in the water fast enough. I usually start fishing one of the upper section of the North Fork of the Snake in March. It's cold, but man if you hit it right its a riot.
I got the bug as well. I have loved this project and look forward to a new boat. However, that one is going to have to wait for a few more years. I am thinking the 17 1/2' 56". My thinking is the wider the bottom the easier it will be to hold on a bank fishing, again we'll see.
I threw up some pics of my progress weekend. I have all the varnish gone and am now onto the finishing sanding. I got the wood for the floor boards on Saturday. So hopefully I will be able to make some bigger strides now that I can attack little projects throughout the week after work.
I wish you great progress this week.
I like the Tight Lines bit so, back at ya - Tight Lines,
Jesse
Mar 1, 2009
TJ Weiss
I had quite a bit of checking so I sanded (forever) and used polyurethane sanding sealer as a start. This helped fill in some of the micro cracks so that when I started primering it, it covered up about 80% of the checking cracks. I put 3 coats of primer on and wet sanded each coat. You're right, I used Interlux for the final coats. I put on two regular coats just like it says but then I put on a third coat that was thinned down. I think it helps it achieve the gloss finish when its thinned a bit. Perhaps 15%?
After refinishing mine for the second time, if I have to do it a third, I'll sell it to some youngster and start over with a new kit.
;o)
Mar 4, 2009
TJ Weiss
Since I started with a polyurethane sanding sealer I was comitted to go that way. I used Interlux "Pre Kote" primer and "Brightside" polyurethane and their (special) 216 thinner.
Its pretty simple to use but since I don't have a paint booth or a sprayer system I had to do it all with a brush. Of course if you look at it closely you'll see the inevitable paint "sags". To be honest, I wet sanded the first two color coats to try to get rid of some of the worst sags. This "percussive learning" taught me how much I could get away with. I thinned down the last coat since I think it it helps the paint flow and gloss. The other aspect I had to deal with was that I did this in February in my garage. I had to wait until the weather was fairly warm and dry (>50 degrees), I rolled the boat into the driveway so it could warm up like a lizard, paint on one coat, roll it back into the garage, ensure that there was plenty of ventilation, and leave it completely alone to dry for a few days.
Mar 5, 2009
TJ Weiss
There is one little "trick" that I used when sanding. (wet or dry). I get a piece of 1/4" MDF board and cut it to exactly half of a sheet of sandpaper. (long ways) I glue a piece of 2x4 on the back as a handle. Then I use spray on glue (just a little bit to make it tacky) and stick the sandpaper on the MDF. This helps keep me from creating pressure points (gouges) from my fingers through the sandpaper and gives me a very smooth/flat surface. It also helps me control the pressure on the sandpaper by distributing it across the entire piece.
Oh - If you use just a bit of spray glue, you can replace the sandpaper as you need to.
Its a very simple contraption to create but I think the results are really worthwhile.
Mar 5, 2009
Jesse Ronnow
How goes the battle? Things are moving a long here. I have put in my new anchor system and have begun work on the floor. However, I am stuck with a question of how to attach the floor boards. Anyway, just thought I would check in and see how things are coming for you. BTW are you going to the boat show on the McKenzie? I think it's on April 25th? Let me know.
Tight Lines,
Jesse
Mar 16, 2009
Jesse Ronnow
I am not sure that I am going to be able to make it up to Or this year. I would love to I will just have to see how things pan out. The sun is awesome, although it has been raining here quite a bit lately too. Like you I am thankful for the rain as it fills the lakes and reservoirs and keeps the rivers high late into the summer.
The boat is coming along. I keep posting picture here and looks at the pics and think, "man that looks like crap, I need to redo that part"... oh well. I am hoping that it's just the lighting. I have the floors mostly completed. I am going to be rebuilding the front seat and rowing station next. The the fly deck and back seat. After that I just need it to warm up enough to start applying the oil to the interior. I am getting stoked to get back on the water though. Soon I hope.
Well I wish you no work travel days and some unexpected vacation time.
Cheers,
Jesse
Mar 16, 2009
Jason Knight
I have been building mine since the fall - but mainly on the weekends. Hoping to have it done mid-summer. My boat is a low side version of the Tatman 17x52... I think low side is the way to go for our slower meandering rivers for windy conditions. My boat is Meranti - and the exterior parts have been coated with epoxy prior to assembly - but the interior is left bare as I have decided to oil it. I am also thinking of painting my boat.
The kits are top notch, and the scarfs are a cool looking feature that Randy and Sandy are doing exclusively. I was sold on the boat after we went to the McKenzie show last spring and took a ride in one of their boats...
Mar 18, 2009
Jason Knight
Mar 18, 2009
Jesse Ronnow
Thank you for the complements. I have put a lot of hours into this project, but it has been great. I just saw the pics of your boat all primed up. Looks great. I wish I had some pearl of wisdom the exposed screw's but alas I don't.
I got sick this week, thanks kids, and did almost nothing on my boat until this weekend. My parents were here this weekend and my dad and I made a little progress this weekend. Completely finished all floorboard work and got the new front seat almost finished. I have the rowing seat, back seat, back knee braces, fly deck, handrails, oil and painting. Man it always sounds like so much more when I write it down.
Good luck this week.
Cheers,
Jesse
Mar 22, 2009
Robb Sipler
Pre-construction assembly was done in a long day. I pre varnished everything with three coats prior to assembly and pre painted the exterior. Due to the rapid consruction schedule(losing my shop space), and the fact that I had no help there was some touch up needed after I finished. Had I had an extra set of hand, or more time there would have been little or no touch up post construction. I think I will actually spray another two coats of varnish on the inside when the weather warms as this boat will see a lot of actual use. The limiting factor on speed was without a doubt the drying time between coats of paint, varnish, and epoxy. That being said, take your time on every single part of the project and try not to move on until your are happy with the step your working on. Take your time on the pre finishing and it will turn out great. It will really help if you have a concise vision of how you want the boat to turn out, then just dig in. I'll be happy to answer any questions you have as you get rolling although most guys on this site know quite a bit more than I do. Good Luck!
Mar 23, 2009
Jesse Ronnow
I cut a new yoke out of the same Cedar that I used on the floor and about 3/4" thick. On the back of that yoke I am going to attach a "ripped strip" about 1/2" thick by 1" wide where the casting deck (when I figure out how to cut the stupid thing) will attach. Then through that rip strip I am planning on using 2" grabber screws (about 4) to hold the horns on. This is how the horns were attached when I got the boat, with new materials. I have attached a few photos of the new yoke.
Cheers,
Jesse
Mar 23, 2009
Steeliekid
Mar 24, 2009
Greg Hatten
Mar 29, 2009
Greg Hatten
Will that boat be ready for the Festival and the Float on the 25th... hope so - should be a fun day and a great "group float"... let me know if you need help sanding or painting - I'm pretty slow but I'm persistent as hell.
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Mar 30, 2009
Rick Newman
Mar 31, 2009
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Apr 1, 2009
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Apr 1, 2009
Jesse Ronnow
That paint doesn't sound fun. Which sucks cause I am going to paint the outside of mine. Your pics look good. I have no idea when I am going to be able to fish. I wish I could get it done to bring it up to Oregon, but with some upcoming business trips and the time between now and then getting shorter, I don't think I am going to get her finished. I keep "obsessing" over stuff, and I ends up taking substantially longer than I had hoped. However, I think I can see the end. Who knows :D!
In one of your pics it looks like you are putting new rub strips on... yes? If so are you painting? The wood looks rich and wonderful. I am excited to see how it turns out. Man I wish I could come up there at the end of the month.
Anyway, I wish you wonderful progress on the project this weekend.
Tight lines...
Jesse
Apr 1, 2009
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Apr 4, 2009
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Apr 10, 2009
Jesse Ronnow
Hey I have a question about your paint. Did you go with the Interlux Briteside? If so how much did you order and is that enough? Let me know your thoughts when you get a second.
Thanks,
Jesse
Apr 15, 2009
Jesse Ronnow
Thanks for the info. Things are coming along. I decided to make the rowing seat adjustable which took some time to figure out. ,I am almost completely finished with the interior and should be ready to oil. I am not going to make it to OR for the festival. I have to be in SLC for work that weekend. I am planning on taking my boat to the festival over here on the Snake in May. I should have some pics soon....
Thanks again for the info on the paint.
Jesse
Apr 15, 2009