Hey Rick! Just wanted to let you know of my upcoming fishing schedule. I should have the boat done by mid october...YEA!!! I may be heading up to the Ronde (WA side) around the end of October. That trip is still tentative. However, I will definately be going the weekend after Thanksgiving. There will be several guys there and we will only have my drift boat so some of us will be floating and some will be wadeing. I am temped to float from bogans to the mouth on an overnight trip. Let me know if you are interested and I'll keep you informed...
Rant on Rick ! Believe me , I get it !! I'm sure there is a lot going on out there. I just haven't see a lot of it here. Dunno, maybe i'm looking in the wrong places. I've also had to make myself stop buying books and magazines so I can afford stuff like...wood @!!!! I tend do do more reading than actual building if I'm not carefull !! Later, LV
Thanks Rick. I feel like I may be a little out of the "mainstream" as there is not much of a demand for drift boats in North Texas, Come to think of it, although my interests now tend to lean in a more traditional direction, there is not much hand built of anything in this part of the country anymore !! Pity. It just makes me more commited.
P.S. There is some beautiful handiwork represented on this websight LV
At 7:45am on September 15, 2009, Rick Newman said…
Sounds like you are making progress on many fronts. I think that about thirty more hours should finish the work and "Grampa" will have a 48" wide shower with seats to enjoy. Parkinson's is a frustrating disease for him.
I haven't been bird hunting with a real hunting dog in decades, sounds like a great time.
That is good that you get to help out the family. Some things are more important than a tight line...although there are times that there is nothing else I would rather be doing. I hear you on the school. That is what is really slowing me down. I have been back to school since late August and it has really slowed the project down. Also, Bird season has opened and my English Pointer has be "hounding" me to go...I got him on some grouse the other day. He did great. It was as if he never quit hunting all summer. Can't wait for chuckar hunting this weekend. I am going to try to make it up to brownlee reservoir area for the opener. Hopefully I can still get some work done on the boat too. My buddy Mack came over today and helped me for 4 hours. We got the chines cut dry-fitted. Added a coat of epoxy for the bottom, and epoxied the chines. Did some touch-up sanding to get ready for paint this week. With any luck I'll have the bottom on and fiber-glassed with in the next two weeks. All that will be left in the final sanding and paint on the upper half of the boat and varnishing the seats, oars, etc. With any luck. I'll be fishable by mid october. I still need to build my new trailer, but I can get than done in a weekend with the help of a couple of friends who have committed to helping me with it. Aren't friends great!!!
Been making progress on the boat...a little. Trouble is that it is hunting season so I am torn between two loves. Have still managed to make some progress though. Have the bottom ribs installed and new inside & outside chines cut. I need to dry fit the chines and finish them before I can move ahead. Should be able to get the bottom on this weekend...I hope. It's all down hill from there. I will post some pics soon. I just haven't had a chance to get that done yet. Still waiting to hear from the Corps...
It turned out pretty good, the cleaning was the secret, I guess I was getting some kind of contamination somewhere that was messing it up. I'll send pics when I get the parts added to the boat.
thanks for all your help and problem solving skills.
Hey Rick, thanks for the welcome, looking forward to learning some new tricks for boat work, would eventually like to build another, looks like youve done some nice work. I prefer the fishing on the east side of the divide, but float the bitteroot, blackfoot, and clark fork.
Matt
Thanks Rick and Randy,
I'm located in Tampa, FL. Not exactly drift boat country, but I it a place where exotic, shallow-draft flats boats are produced. Unfortunately, almost all are made of composites that don't include wood. I'd like to change that. At least for my own personal use. I think that some of the experience you folks have, especially with combining plywood with high performance core materials, could help me out. Your drift boats show a lot of similarities with some of the hard chine boats down here, especially the Maverick HPX (MBCboats.com). Although they look very different, you'll see the same use of card chine and straight planes that lend themselves to plywood construction. I have some drawings, lots ideas and lots of questions. Hope you're willing to tolerate a flats guy who loves the look and smell of wood.
P.S. One manufacturer make a few wood prototypes See here: http://outdoorsbest.zeroforum.com/thread?id=434972&postid=5112567#5112567
fancy page man! It was fun to meet you too and a float sound fun...always. I've got summers off. 3 month to be a fish n and float n'. My vacation countdown is on, 6 more weeks. I usually fish and float all summer long. Meeting in the middle or me coming a bit further is fine too. If you might remember, I have a brother in Moses Lake area so that could draw me over your way too. I also follow Corvallis's college baseball wood bat team . The league has a few teams in Washington, another draw me over your way idea.
Hey Rick,
yeah, that was a fun float and a nice day at Randy's. I love it there.
When I got to Spokane my buddy and I went over to West Medical Lake and we fished the day, tuesday. How'd your doc appts. go? Anyways, my buddy caught a couple fat rainbows using a wet fly setup, I didn't get any nibbles on the spin casting setup I was using....no big deal. It was pretty windy at the lake, but I was able to keep in the lee of the hill where the eastern state hospital complex is built on.
As far as the Herreshoff, it's a cold molded(cedar)28' yawl, built in 1997. We've had it since 2007, keep it on a trailer tucked away inside in storage near Idaho Falls. Last spring I had it in a berth in the SF Bay area for a month and sailed out of the Oakland Estuary, Alameda, where I grew up.
Hey brother... sorry for being a bit out of touch. I'll have a pretty good story for you in a few days!! Sounds like you had a great trip around the state!! Come back down anytime & we'll fish!!
Thanks so much for your kind words - I appreciate it!! I get a kick entertaining you guys.
My email is greg.hatten@gmail.com. Can't wait to see the photo's!!
See ya on the river.
Greg
Hey Rick...
Thanks again for the thoughtful gift... I will use that magnetic fly retriever often!!! It was so good to meet you and spend time talking "live" with you about the stuff we tap out on the computer all the time. Really glad you made the trip down. Hope you enjoyed the day.
Take care.
GH
Hi Rick,
yeah, thanks for the note on the CDL, my buddy up in Spokane wrote me yesterday regarding it. I'm at Eagle Rock tonight and look forward to seeing you tomorrow. We floated the lower Mckenzie from Deerhorn to Hendricks bridge near Springfield this afternoon, beautiful day.
MY boat has 90 degree corners. If fiberglass is not the better material what would you use to seal that area?
The nails are stiff, I assume that be Bronze?
The chine was covered with a 1 inch piece of brittle alumunim type material. It snapped in two like a alumunim magnisium material breaks. I would like to get something like the bread board material you mentioned.
I have not had time to look at the book you recommended but will ASAP. The epoxy that I intend to cover the sides and bottom with is the West System product. Is the 3m a similar product?
I believe you mentioned you have the bottom and chine protective material to sell, what price? I went to Tatmans but could not find a picture of this product, only a description.
My intent is to fiberglass the the side and bottom area, then the bottom prior to attatching the chine. I am seeking information on the best way to seal this thing up so I do appreciate your opinion. What procedure would you recommend? As I said I am still refinishing the inside and doing the bottom will be a while. Thanks Again
The boat has brass nails, I am thinking of adding some stainless steel screws and leave the nails in. The shoe had nails that have the twisted shank. They were about 1 inch. I am not familiar with the term "fair". The shoe had a clear looking material, it didn't look like fiberglass. I have to replace the chine, so I took the old one off and have applied epoxy along the area where the sides and bottom meet.
I have only done a bit of fiberglassing so I am still learning about clothe weight. After adding the 1/4 inch onto the bottom I am going to put on the new chine. Again, I am having some difficulty finding the best material. The newer McKenzie boat I looked at had a nice full-length of 1 1/2 hard nylon material on the chine. Any good recommendations? I am thinking of adding a transom seat/storage area. I see the new boats come with one, Tatmans also sell them. If I add one I will probably build it myself.
Is it bad when you get use to the smell of the stripper?
Rick,
The McKenzie River drift boat that I am restoring did have the sacrificial bottom and the plastic (skid plate). I got the boat from Yakima and do not know where it was used. It was fastened well around the sides and nailed across the bottom. Which brings up a question. I had to replace one side frame and one bottom frame and noticed they were joined together with nails to the bottom and side. Being new to drift boats is there a reason they are nailed and not screwed together?
My plan is to use epoxy to fill areas that are not smooth much like you would with a wood filler. I will roll on a coat of epoxy on the outside of the hull and bottom. Then I will use a marine paint on the outer sides. I am going to bond a full layer of 1/4 inch marine plywood to the bottom to help strengthen it. I will roll the same epoxy on this new bottom and then fiberglass from above the chine over the bottom. I have been talking with a guy that refinishes wooden boats and he strongly recommends the plastic layer to protect the bottom rather than using graffite. Here on the Clearwater and Snake Rivers the free stone bottoms will be a big issue. I am unsure about adding yet another layer as a sacrifical bottom. I am quite a ways from dealing with the bottom so I am seeking all the input I can recieve. I am looking forward to learning about the nail verse screws use of connecting sides and bottoms to the frames. I saw a newer McKenzie River drift boat, it's interior was spotless and the outside looked as if it had never been in the water. What a beautiful boat, Thanks again for your interest and information.
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P.S. There is some beautiful handiwork represented on this websight LV
I haven't been bird hunting with a real hunting dog in decades, sounds like a great time.
Rick Newman
It turned out pretty good, the cleaning was the secret, I guess I was getting some kind of contamination somewhere that was messing it up. I'll send pics when I get the parts added to the boat.
thanks for all your help and problem solving skills.
Dan
GH
Matt
I'm located in Tampa, FL. Not exactly drift boat country, but I it a place where exotic, shallow-draft flats boats are produced. Unfortunately, almost all are made of composites that don't include wood. I'd like to change that. At least for my own personal use. I think that some of the experience you folks have, especially with combining plywood with high performance core materials, could help me out. Your drift boats show a lot of similarities with some of the hard chine boats down here, especially the Maverick HPX (MBCboats.com). Although they look very different, you'll see the same use of card chine and straight planes that lend themselves to plywood construction. I have some drawings, lots ideas and lots of questions. Hope you're willing to tolerate a flats guy who loves the look and smell of wood.
P.S. One manufacturer make a few wood prototypes See here: http://outdoorsbest.zeroforum.com/thread?id=434972&postid=5112567#5112567
Got em... thanks... I just sent you a message. I really appreciate your work with the camera.... well done.
GH
fancy page man! It was fun to meet you too and a float sound fun...always. I've got summers off. 3 month to be a fish n and float n'. My vacation countdown is on, 6 more weeks. I usually fish and float all summer long. Meeting in the middle or me coming a bit further is fine too. If you might remember, I have a brother in Moses Lake area so that could draw me over your way too. I also follow Corvallis's college baseball wood bat team . The league has a few teams in Washington, another draw me over your way idea.
Keep in touch
yeah, that was a fun float and a nice day at Randy's. I love it there.
When I got to Spokane my buddy and I went over to West Medical Lake and we fished the day, tuesday. How'd your doc appts. go? Anyways, my buddy caught a couple fat rainbows using a wet fly setup, I didn't get any nibbles on the spin casting setup I was using....no big deal. It was pretty windy at the lake, but I was able to keep in the lee of the hill where the eastern state hospital complex is built on.
As far as the Herreshoff, it's a cold molded(cedar)28' yawl, built in 1997. We've had it since 2007, keep it on a trailer tucked away inside in storage near Idaho Falls. Last spring I had it in a berth in the SF Bay area for a month and sailed out of the Oakland Estuary, Alameda, where I grew up.Thanks so much for your kind words - I appreciate it!! I get a kick entertaining you guys.
My email is greg.hatten@gmail.com. Can't wait to see the photo's!!
See ya on the river.
Greg
Thanks again for the thoughtful gift... I will use that magnetic fly retriever often!!! It was so good to meet you and spend time talking "live" with you about the stuff we tap out on the computer all the time. Really glad you made the trip down. Hope you enjoyed the day.
Take care.
GH
yeah, thanks for the note on the CDL, my buddy up in Spokane wrote me yesterday regarding it. I'm at Eagle Rock tonight and look forward to seeing you tomorrow. We floated the lower Mckenzie from Deerhorn to Hendricks bridge near Springfield this afternoon, beautiful day.
The nails are stiff, I assume that be Bronze?
The chine was covered with a 1 inch piece of brittle alumunim type material. It snapped in two like a alumunim magnisium material breaks. I would like to get something like the bread board material you mentioned.
I have not had time to look at the book you recommended but will ASAP. The epoxy that I intend to cover the sides and bottom with is the West System product. Is the 3m a similar product?
I believe you mentioned you have the bottom and chine protective material to sell, what price? I went to Tatmans but could not find a picture of this product, only a description.
I have only done a bit of fiberglassing so I am still learning about clothe weight. After adding the 1/4 inch onto the bottom I am going to put on the new chine. Again, I am having some difficulty finding the best material. The newer McKenzie boat I looked at had a nice full-length of 1 1/2 hard nylon material on the chine. Any good recommendations? I am thinking of adding a transom seat/storage area. I see the new boats come with one, Tatmans also sell them. If I add one I will probably build it myself.
Is it bad when you get use to the smell of the stripper?
The McKenzie River drift boat that I am restoring did have the sacrificial bottom and the plastic (skid plate). I got the boat from Yakima and do not know where it was used. It was fastened well around the sides and nailed across the bottom. Which brings up a question. I had to replace one side frame and one bottom frame and noticed they were joined together with nails to the bottom and side. Being new to drift boats is there a reason they are nailed and not screwed together?
My plan is to use epoxy to fill areas that are not smooth much like you would with a wood filler. I will roll on a coat of epoxy on the outside of the hull and bottom. Then I will use a marine paint on the outer sides. I am going to bond a full layer of 1/4 inch marine plywood to the bottom to help strengthen it. I will roll the same epoxy on this new bottom and then fiberglass from above the chine over the bottom. I have been talking with a guy that refinishes wooden boats and he strongly recommends the plastic layer to protect the bottom rather than using graffite. Here on the Clearwater and Snake Rivers the free stone bottoms will be a big issue. I am unsure about adding yet another layer as a sacrifical bottom. I am quite a ways from dealing with the bottom so I am seeking all the input I can recieve. I am looking forward to learning about the nail verse screws use of connecting sides and bottoms to the frames. I saw a newer McKenzie River drift boat, it's interior was spotless and the outside looked as if it had never been in the water. What a beautiful boat, Thanks again for your interest and information.
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