First ever Post...First ever Project....Sassafras Oars

Hello everyone. Thanks for having me.

I am a total noobe to the world of wood working! I have been reading and researching constantly but I still can't figure this one out. I am afraid this is because most of the oar discussion out there do not have enough info about the type of boat it is intended for so (and I dont know how wooden boats compare to rafts).


I have some questions about oar dimensions. I want a light, balanced, springy oar (doesn't everyone?). It will be oiled only, so no extra strength from epoxy or resin...a bit from the glue maybe). I would like a modified (maybe more artistic...maybe stronger for whitewater) version of Pete Culler's Long Oar.


I think I have enough wood to make 4 oars so if they are a hair on the fragile side I'll have 2 spares. They will get no more than 15 days use each year.

I am curious how thick these oars need to be in 2 places

1) at the narrowest point of the Neck ( I am especially curious how narrow I can go at this point if I use an oval profile)
and
2) the round part of the shaft at the oar lock?

The long oars of pete culler pdf I have show the necks at 1 1/4 (I think...but its blurry) on a set of 9' spuce oars. I believe commercial whitewater oars are closer to 1 1/2 or even 1 3/4.  I would also like to use an oval (not round) profile at the neck. I am leaning towards using 1 1/4" x 1 3/4" .... But I know nothing and if 1 1/4 round is ok then maybe 1 x 1 3/4...Maybe even 1" x 2 1/4" ...thats pretty thin but its way more wood than 1 1/4" round.

As for shafts, I see designs for 1 3/4" and  2" and 2 1/4" shafts on 10" oars. I wonder how important this is. Wouldn't a 2" Sassafras oar be as strong as a 2 1/4" spruce oar(Culler's)... is this even relevant since the common whitewater oar (Sawyers smoker) is 2.3" ash - I think its really 2.25 + varnish. If I can go with 2" it will be much easier to get 4 oars from 6" stock (but after saw blade waste it might really be 1.9" or a tad less)    


A final question I have is regarding laminated blades. I have 2 options here. Laminate or not
1) I can cut a full oar w/ blade from each board and then use the scrap to increase the size of the shaft. The problem here is that, the scrape will be 1 3/4 (if the shaft is 2 1/4). Another possible problem is the blade will be at max 3/4 of an inch thick everwhere accept where the shaft contiues down it (is that a problem...seems common enough).

2) Use the Sassafras for the shaft and laminate a blade to it using scrap Sass and something else. I prefer the first plan because the entire oar would be Sassafras but this option allows for some artistic expression.

If I go the laminate shaft route, can I add the laminate blade pieces to an angle cut shaft. I.E. Taper the shaft from 2 1/4"  down to 1" (or whatever achieves the correct neck width) and then add the blade pieces to the shaft.
That may seem like a dumb question, but it seems like this taper (slight as it may be) makes this similar to gluing end grain. Plus, All of the oar blanks I have seen use straight pieces glued parallel, none with angled cuts.

ABOUT THE PROJECT

I am making a set of oars for a  16" Avon bucket boat (that is an inflatable whitewater raft for those of you not familiar with rafts) that will be used mostly in flat water with some class II & III rapids. The boat is designed to haul gear on multiday trips so it will usually be very heavy (1500-2000 lbs-rated much higher). Commercial made oars for this boat are a generaly 10 feet.

It is a 1970's model that I am restoring (these boats never die). I want to use as many antique accessories as I can but 35 year old oars are hard to come buy so I decided to build a pair. I have never undertaken any wood working projects so building a these is a little intinidating for me. I have read about the legendary & mythical properties of sassafras oars (and the imposability of finding one or the boards to make them) but it turns out I did find some.

ABOUT THE WOOD

The boards are clean and clear. The grain is tight and straight along the edges but has a traditional arch shape grain down the centers. If I cut full blanks from the wood this arch will be the main piece. If I laminate shafts and add blades I probably dont have to use the arch wood at all.

How much should this effect my desicion?

In line with the antique theme this wood was cut with a circular saw in a turn of the century mill. It was then stacked under a tarp for 50 years before appearing in my local specialty wood shop. I bought 5 boards (each is rough cut - 10' long - 1' x 6" true dimensions) I am fairly sure I will still have 3/4" after surfacing but if I dont I cant do 2 1/4" without a fourth layer.


RANDOM IDEA
 I think this might look great and help me extend the sassafras. I think I can cut an oar blank from a board with a 2 1/4" inch shaft. This will leave 1 3/4" scrap that can be laid down the length of the shaft but will fall short of the 2 1/4 needed. When 2 pieces of 1 3/4 are centered on a 2 1/4 piece 4 voids are created. Each of these could be filled with a strip of ash/maple/poplar/anything - A 1/4" piece of 1/4 round would fit perfect.
If the shaft was then tapered to a 1 3/4 round neck (or oval with a 1 3/4" height), the "strip pieces" would run all the way to the neck and look really slick.

Thanks in advance for any help.


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I didn't explain that very well, but you understand correctly. The rafts are 18' long but as wide as the 16' version.

I understand width is the key measurement is sizing an oar but I suspect the length (and weight associated with extra gear) makes your craft an exception. It leads me to think I could go shorter.

The reason I dwell on the issue is that I have been reading a ton about peoples preferences and problems. In that time I have hypothesized 2 things.

1) The rule of using 10' oars on 16' boats maybe standard because big companies like Sawyer/NRS sell millions of them not because its perfect. It may have as much to do with lumber dimensions and lathe sizes as it does with perfect matching to the boat.  This is based on the fact that nobody ever fell in love with these mass produced products.

2) The weight problem associated with these oars might be a balance issue not a "weight issue per se". What I mean is that if 10' can handle the extra weight of your boat maybe the rest of us dont need it.

This is based on the idea that "within the range of acceptable" longer oars are equivalent to higher gears in a car (shorter like lower gears). It seems like you would need a lower geared oar based on length and weight. Maybe 10' would be a perfect high gear oar for my boat.

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I am obviously talking about fine tuning here.

May I ask your size, oar lock heights and width at the grips when level.

I am 5'9", 150 and like 4-5 inches for a gap. I don't even have a frame.  I'm a paddle boat guide, I have done a fair amount of rowing (private and commercial) but now that I don't guide I have less access to loaner gear. Hence the new boat and oar project. 

I think I over complicated the way I asked the question. (But it led to some great info so what the heck)

Basically...I know I can use a Smoke Whitewater oar as a pattern because it has worked for many people using spruce.

If I use Sassafras it will be lighter and less stiff (the main complaints about smokers) than ash.

If that is the only difference I am sure I would enjoy them and they will work. However, I think Smokers are way over built. I would go as far as to say Extreme overkill for someone on smaller rapids or flatwater (or just someone with experience enough to stay online)

Since I want really light well balanced oars AND am willing to sacrifice some strength I wonder how much smaller I can go at the oar lock and neck....i.e. as small as Cullers?

As far as I can tell Cullers 9' oars are 2" and 1 1/4" as opposed to Smokers 10' oars 2 1/4" and 1 3/4" (oar and neck).

So what I really need to know is

1) are the above dimensions correct for Culler's and Smokers? I can find nothing on the necks of Smokers and my copy of Culler's plans are blurry.

2) Are Culler's oars strong enough for mild (or even wild) whitewater.

Or even easier...Can I use Cullers 9' oar dimensions on a 10' whitewater oar?

I also question if after adding square looms to a Smoker pattern it will even matter. That relates to my last post and the hypothesis that maybe Smokers are not really that heavy...just poorly balanced?

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