Would love help identifying this boat

Thank you in advance!!


3 months into my restoration project. I have searched a ton of photos, plans, etc. on this site and others. I like to know the history of all things, my boat has baffled me. Probably because I'm a novice at this. Any help identifying which plans this was built from would be a huge help!


What I do know, the boat was built in the 1980s by a cabinetmaker in AR. It's a frame built boat and a true double-ender. My closest guess so far is a Tatman. But it has some characteristics of a Hindman, fly line deck and framing. But I guess a lot of them have this.


Some of dimensions are:
Length: 16'.
Beam: 6'
Bottom width: 4'
Height at oar locks: 24"


Any my thoughts would be appreciated! I would hope this is not a stupid question, but I sure would like to get a semi-definitive answer.


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Permalink Reply by Peter Honsberger on May 18, 2020 at 5:21pm

My Hindman thoughts come from Roger Fletcher's book...

Permalink Reply by Ants Uiga on May 18, 2020 at 10:14pm

I am far from being a knowledgable source, but the first profile picture reminds me of a Don Hill boat.  His designs had a distinct rise in the bow that was higher than others.  Since many of the boats were kits or plans, the remaining details were chosen by the builder.

The interior photos don't click on any prior photos for me.

Thanks for the photos.  The collective memory from this site has a better opportunity to comment with the photos.

Ants

Permalink Reply by Peter Honsberger on May 19, 2020 at 7:56am

Thanks Ants! Really appreciate your help!!

I see what you mean about the bow. My thought as well was, it had probably been customized.

Permalink Reply by Ants Uiga on May 19, 2020 at 8:14am

At one point I was trying to understand why the Don Hill bow was higher.  It seems Hill widened frames to get more flotation for bow end passengers.  Since both sides are cut from a 4 foot width of plywood, the frames change and profile changes.

It seems Roger Fletcher and lots of others builders understand this.  I need to spend time with scissors and paper to have it make sense to me.

Ants

Permalink Reply by Peter Honsberger on May 19, 2020 at 8:30am

Very interesting!! Logically, that would make sense.

Permalink Reply by Bennett Yarbrough on May 24, 2020 at 4:16pm

Is that a stitch and glue boat? The interior seems similar to the Spira designs like this

https://www.spirainternational.com/hp_mack.php

Permalink Reply by Peter Honsberger on May 27, 2020 at 9:59am

Hey Bennett, Interesting stuff! I appreciate it!

its's a frame boat. The more I look, I'm wondering if it's a Don Hill boat with modifications. It's a puzzle for sure!

Permalink Reply by Mitchell Culbertson on May 27, 2020 at 9:02pm

how many ribs does the boat have?

Permalink Reply by Peter Honsberger on May 28, 2020 at 9:45am

Hey Mitchell,

Six sets. Bow, integrated into the fly deck. 4 integrated into both passengers seat and rowers seat. The stern integrated into the rear hatch. See pics 2&3 for clarification.

One other note, the bow is built on a 60 degree angle.

Thanks!

Permalink Reply by Peter Honsberger on May 30, 2020 at 4:37pm

Well, it's not a Don Hill boat. Emailed the folks that now sell his plans. Very nice guy. Said the bow angle is similar to Don's but not the rocker.

I may be down a rabbit hole with no final answer. It's interesting to me the Robert Fletcher's plans are similar, but his book wasn't published until 2007. Mine was built in the 80s. I wonder if he sold plans prior to that?

Looks like I may never answer this question, but it's been a fun quest. It's a really well built boat that will once again enjoy it's original purpose! And I'm having fun in the process.

Permalink Reply by Kurt Selisch on May 30, 2020 at 5:40pm

Does not look like an Oregon drift boat design. Interesting the frames are notched and go over the gunnel. Pretty much all Oregon boats have  an inside and outside gunnel. The inside gunnel is run over the frame to create a handrail which is absent in this boat. Also typical Oregon builders install 9 frames in a 16' boat. It has a lot of rocker like a Don Hill, but no flat spot in the bottom. My guess is a glen-L plan or something similar. And yes, the more you flare the hull in the middle, the more rocker it creates.

Permalink Reply by Rick Newman on May 31, 2020 at 10:16am

I haven't yet commented but I agree fully with Kurt's comments. Visit the Glen-L website to see what we mean.

Rick N

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