Phillip Westendorf
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Frame Strength Comparisons
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I have been meaning to post this information for some time now.  I just re-discovered the pictures on my computer and decided to share this information.  I might be of interest to some of you…Continue

Started this discussion. Last reply by Bennett Yarbrough Feb 19.

Varnish Issue
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HELP! I have made a new pair of 8 ft. Oars and after finish maching them I added two coats of neat epoxy with 6 oz. glass on the edges of the blades (25" long section). This is the third pair of oars…Continue

Started this discussion. Last reply by Phillip Westendorf Mar 16, 2017.

Framing Design Variabiles
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This subject has been around in recent posts, so I am adding this to help folks here better understand how the different construction methods compare.When I decided to build a drift boat back in…Continue

Started this discussion. Last reply by Mike Thomas Aug 15, 2015.

Bottom Coating for Wooden Boats.
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Hey folks I just was reading another forum's posting on alternate sealants and coatings and it struck me that this may be another option for a Drift Boat Bottom Coating.  There has been prior…Continue

Started this discussion. Last reply by Don Hanson Jul 25, 2015.


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Phillip Westendorf replied to Tom Anderson's discussion Trailer Drawings
"BY, It wont make much difference as the contact point on the chine will be significantly less than 6'.  I'd go with 6" just to keep them lower and out of the way.  Just something else to bump into with your shins. phil w."
Jul 13
Bennett Yarbrough replied to Phillip Westendorf's discussion Frame Strength Comparisons
"to add to the discussion on frame joints I'll point out Brad Dimock just does a regular full lap with only two bolts holding it all together. No glue involved.  I think he said he does it specifically for replacing frames after a…"
Feb 19
Phillip Westendorf replied to JC Smith's discussion Trailer springs
"JC, Go with the 1000 # springs. The heavier springs will beat the heck out of your DB. I used 1000# on my trailer an it rides very smooth behind the car. Phil"
Feb 15
Phillip Westendorf replied to Phillip Westendorf's discussion Frame Strength Comparisons
"Greg, If you check my latest post on my build last year there is a perfect example what happens when an object strikes the 1/4” cedar strip side between the frames. Luckily it was easily repaired, not so pretty though. My half laps were chosen…"
Feb 15
Greg Tatman replied to Phillip Westendorf's discussion Frame Strength Comparisons
"Chris, I think the most elegant joint is a half lap with glue and screws, yet I have never done it, as when I think of the actual load the joint demands, it's not worth the time. In the case of a wooden drift boat, if the boat strikes something…"
Feb 15
Chris replied to Phillip Westendorf's discussion Frame Strength Comparisons
"Sorry to drag this back up.. As a life long carpenter I also appreciate the half lap without fasteners. My only 2 questions, as I hate to assume, the frames are 3/4” correct? So the lap takes them to 3/8” each? I want to believe in this…"
Feb 15
Guy Fredrickson replied to Phillip Westendorf's discussion Frame Strength Comparisons
"Hi Phil, Interesting article. However, I don't see why the #2 arrangement would be "stiffer" than the other two. I don't see the same taper in the profile in #2 that I see in #1 and #3. To me, the sides in #2 look strictly…"
Dec 31
Phillip Westendorf replied to Phillip Westendorf's discussion Frame Strength Comparisons
"Greg, My concerns at the time I did this I had not built anything more than a cedar strip canoe.  Frames, I thought were another whole thing.  As I now look at things from a different perspective.  I see the "light" as you…"
Dec 31, 2018
Greg Tatman replied to Phillip Westendorf's discussion Frame Strength Comparisons
"A fun article. For a perspective, though, one must remember that the strength of a frame joint can be quite strong, or just adequately strong without making a lot of difference. Remember, glass boats, or aluminum boats have no frames at all!…"
Dec 30, 2018
Phillip Westendorf replied to Dusty's discussion First build
"Dusty, As you progress in the build please post some pictures. Phil w"
Nov 24, 2018
Phillip Westendorf replied to Dusty's discussion First build
"Dusty, How thick is the plywood, 1/4", same as the sides?  What do the plans call for for thickness?   I'd think you'd need at least 3/4" thick Transom if your going to mount anything on it, like an anchor pully,…"
Nov 23, 2018
Phillip Westendorf replied to Dusty's discussion First build
"Dusty, 5200 from what I understand is considered a "bedding compound" not a glue.  It has real good stickey characteristics and gap filling but I don't think will work well as a structural fastener.  It is usually a messy…"
Nov 23, 2018
Phillip Westendorf replied to Phillip Westendorf's discussion Dorf's Wooden Drift Boat
"Rick, Hope all's well with you and yours.  I have been watching a series of YouTube videos, "Sampson Boat Co".  A sailor and boat builder is restoring a 1910 Gaff sailing boat.  Somewhere in your back yard.  Check…"
Nov 6, 2018
Phillip Westendorf replied to JC Smith's discussion Graphite for bottom
"JC, Be careful in how much you add to the epoxy, too much will make the epoxy brittle.  I had this problem and had to remove a couple layers of epoxy with graphite and the went back and added several more.  Here's West Systems…"
Nov 6, 2018
Phillip Westendorf replied to Dusty's discussion First build
"Dusty, On my build I used West System's Six-10 thickened epoxy.  It comes in a caulk gun tube and easy to apply in just the right place and amount.  Worked fine for me.  Jamestown Distributers also has a comparable product and is…"
Oct 11, 2018
Phillip Westendorf replied to Dan Poole's discussion Wood boat covers?
"I have a cover made in Oregon by 5 C's Boat Covers.  It's five years old and is still like new.  Check them out. Dorf"
Oct 3, 2018

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Saginaw. MI
About Me:
Hobbies: Wood Carver, Woodworker, Fishing.
Boats I own:
1969 SS-170 Slickcraft, 16 ft. Peterborough Cedar Strip Canoe, 16 Ft. Wooden Drift Boat, Launched in 2014

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2016 Mid-West Wooden Boat Float and Outing

Last year there was some discussion about having a Wooden Boat Outing somewhere in the East.  I have had discussions with some folks here and on other forums about having one here in the Mid-West, possibly Michigan.

If the is anyone interested in participating or to help put one together please add you comments here. We'll see what interest there is and go from there.  Don't be shy!


Posted on December 10, 2015 at 6:00pm — 4 Comments

DB Motor......

I've never been a proponent of a motor on a drift boat, but....  After a few times down the local rivers here in Michigan I am thinking it might be better to drop in at a location and then fish the river either Upstream or downstream then motor back to the drop-in point (Increases time fishing vs. rowing).  I end up fishing just a small portion of the rivers.  The spotting fees here are reasonable, money isn't the primary issue, it's the time spent rowing Frog Water to the take out point is…


Posted on November 13, 2015 at 5:48pm — 7 Comments

DB Trailer Roller

I just went through this exercise and thought it maybe helpful to others.  My goal was to build a roller with as much material readily available and minimize high cost materials and specialty skills.

The drawing is a sketch I made recently to plan the roller, bearing mounting and mounting.  My roller is 54" Long.


Here's close up of the bracket. …


Posted on May 18, 2013 at 7:46pm — 2 Comments

Scarfing Jig Design.

I have been asked to share this information with one of the members of this site and am posting it here so others who may be interested in this can benefit. 

I made this jig several years ago (2006) while building a cedar strip canoe.  As I have begun to build my Drift Boat, I made changes to accomodate the different pieces the boat requires.  Also I have updated the clamps.  The drawing below has been updated to reflect the revisions.  The pictures shown below is of the current…


Posted on January 4, 2013 at 9:08am — 3 Comments

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At 12:56pm on May 2, 2014, Arnold a. Koch said…

Hi Phillip,

I found the web page for the catch and release nets that you were asking about the other day.

Sorry I did not answer your all your questions the other day.


At 6:24am on September 23, 2013, Chris Patterson said…

Thanks Phillip, I got your note.  I have already got the drain plug though.

At 1:57pm on March 16, 2013, Josh Wieschowski said…

Yeah Phillip, that is a good idea. It seems to me that making some oars is quite mysterious? Its hard to find info or get definate answers. We should exchange ideas soon! Talk to you later!

At 4:17pm on March 13, 2012, Jason Knight said…

Hey Phillip,

Just wanted to say hello, I see you are from Saginaw.

I live downstate in the Ferndale/Royal Oak area, but spend a lot of time up on the rivers chasing fish. Talk to you later!



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