Materials Cost - Double Ender

Hello fellow sawdust producers!

I'm considering Mr. Fletcher's 16' double ender with transom for my next build.  My last was on a strongback and I swore I'd never go that route again.

Can any one give me an idea what my material costs would be?  I realize everyone does the interior a tad differently so this question applies just for the boat it'self.

I'm planning on using 1/4" Meranti for the sides, and 3/8" for the bottom.  

I'd like to get a firm grip on pricing as well as work-hours spent as well.

Thanks!

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Permalink Reply by Randy Dersham on October 11, 2012 at 6:16pm

You should do a 1/2 bottom unless you are going to double up the 3/8 with a second skin of 1/4. 

Meranti will be about $50.00 per sheet.  Some locations are cheaper but most have to factor in the cost of shipping. 

A general rule is that top quality materials for a standard 16ft boat including the flydeck, seats, and supports will run about $1,000 to $1,500 depending on exact materials and where you are located.

Permalink Reply by Michael Rosso on October 12, 2012 at 5:21am

Randy,

For my last boat, I used 3/8 Meranti ply on the bottom but covered it with 20 oz triaxial glass, 3 coats of epoxy, then 3 more with a graphite/epoxy blend.

But then, that was a 14' and not quite as big as this one.

Permalink Reply by Jason Knight on October 11, 2012 at 6:49pm
Michael,
I may be purchasing some material soon. Maybe we can buy some material at the same time/same place, you are not far from me.
Permalink Reply by Dave Z on October 11, 2012 at 8:05pm

I'll second Randy- 1/2 FIR bottom instead of the 3/8.  Built that boat twice, once in all fir with Douglas fir frames, Ash trim, and the second one is Meranti sides, Douglas fir frames, White Oak trim.  East coast costs (I'm in PA) are about in line with Randy's- 1000-1500.  I bargain shopped alot- really dug to find the best price and often times resorted to ebay for hardware and all the fixins'.  Find a local sawmill that will sell you unscarfed 5/8" stock for chines and trim.  I located one that sold me 18-20' White oak, flat sawn 5/8"x2" S4S at 10 bucks a piece.  Good luck finding that anywhere but a sawmill.  Find one that also mills their own hardwood flooring.

Permalink Reply by Michael Rosso on October 12, 2012 at 5:14am

Dave and Randy,

I've heard that laminating 1/4" and 3/8" with wetted 6 oz glass between the two makes for one heck of a durable bottom.   Any thoughts?  Also, I'm toying with the idea of stitch and glue to save on weight.  Keep in mind that our boats here in Michigan don't see any white water. (....insert clever comment from Rick Newman here..)

$1k-1500 is right on the money to my estimates/budget.

Jason, ever hear of a place called Public Lumber?   They're who I got the Hydrotech from for my first boat.   They have it in stock.  1/4" 4 x 8 for $69, and 3/8" for $89.   Haven't really shopped around too much, but they're the only people around me that stock it so I figure it's worth not having to pay for shipping.

Dave,  I've been to a TON of sawmills but I've never heard of any one carrying 5/8" stock.   Sounds like an amazing deal!  Wasn't that white oak green, though?  Usually when I've gotten stuff right from the mill you have to wait until he's milling a bunch and he sells you the 'leftovers' for a good price.  But you still have to dry it.  I did find a good place that has quartersawn white oak.  I can buy enough rough sawn 1 x 8's in 10' lengths to do the chines, stemcap, transom trim, one of the interior benches as well as the inner and outer sheer rails for under $100.  I don't mind doing the scarfing myself.  Doesn't take too long at all.  Once that's done I just run 'em through the planer till their 1/2" thick.  

Thanks for the info, guys!        .... now I just have to break it to my wife that I'm going to start another boat soon...      

Maybe you guys could tell her for me..

 

Permalink Reply by Dave Z on October 12, 2012 at 5:09pm

MIke,

Check out http://marine-plywood.us/mahogany_meranti.htm

in Vickery Ohio.  Last time I bought 6mmm Hydrotek BS1088, it was $39/sheet.  On the drift pram builds I bought all of their "seconds" that had edge damage (would get cut off anyway) for $28 per sheet!  Currently it is $43/sheet. 

As for the 5/8 white oak... This sawmill I deal with makes hardwood flooring and will custom anything.  I simply call them up and tell them what I want and in a week or two I get to pick it up.  Its kiln dried stuff.  You need to locate a mill that does "milling" for floors, panels, mouldings, etc.

On that floor, yeah, maybe a nice sheet of 9mm Hydrotek first, then laminate a 3/8" fir down.  That would work and look nice too....on those sandy MI rivers.. (I fish the Ausable, PM, Muskegon often).

Permalink Reply by Rick Newman on October 17, 2012 at 7:57am

Michael, sorry I couldn't add my normal whitewater comment in a timely manner, I was in the wilds of Idaho cooking in an elk hunting camp. No shots fired at any game animals but we did hear a pack of wolves howing right next to our camp. Impressive and a little bit hair raising. I'll send you some pictures of the St. Joe country and the fall colors there.

Rick Newman

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